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Old Feb 8, 2014 | 06:19 PM
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Originally Posted by danhaug70
I'm considering an exhaust for my first mod...
Will I HAVE to do anything to run a different exhaust, or will the stock ecu be able to adjust for the free flow?

Thanks again for all of the help. I truly am a newb with this stuff and I sure appreciate your guidance.

Thanks to all, I am taking each piece of advice to heart.

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I am considering doing ONLY an exhaust mod. Thoughts?

HI,,You will be fine if you stick with a 200 cell cat. system.
If you go with a 100 cell you might have a cell light,, Then you would have to try O2 extenders since you aren't going to get a tune..
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Old Feb 8, 2014 | 06:46 PM
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Originally Posted by danhaug70
I'm considering an exhaust for my first mod...
Will I HAVE to do anything to run a different exhaust, or will the stock ecu be able to adjust for the free flow?

Thanks again for all of the help. I truly am a newb with this stuff and I sure appreciate your guidance.

Thanks to all, I am taking each piece of advice to heart.

P.S.
I am considering doing ONLY an exhaust mod. Thoughts?
you can bolt on an exhaust and the car will run without a reflash no problems.

but if you put on a system with no cats its likely your gonna see a CEL on the dash without a flash.

you will not take full advantage of the exhaust without the flash.
flash ups the boost level, increases timing, and leans the car out some.
 
Old Feb 8, 2014 | 07:30 PM
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Originally Posted by OS Inspector
flash ups the boost level, increases timing, and leans the car out some.
I'm pretty sure you would want to add some fuel rather than lean it out.
 
Old Feb 8, 2014 | 07:33 PM
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Originally Posted by horsepowerfarm
I'm pretty sure you would want to add some fuel rather than lean it out.
OEM cars generally run fat, so id say 90% of tunes lean the afr's some and if you up the boost of course you want to increase the fuel trims to compensate.
 
Old Feb 8, 2014 | 07:50 PM
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Originally Posted by OS Inspector
OEM cars generally run fat, so id say 90% of tunes lean the afr's some and if you up the boost of course you want to increase the fuel trims to compensate.

Yes,, Agreed..
 
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Originally Posted by OS Inspector
you will not take full advantage of the exhaust without the flash.
flash ups the boost level.
You stated flash ups the boost level. Raise the boost add fuel. So, I respectfully disagree.
 
Old Feb 9, 2014 | 07:01 AM
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Originally Posted by horsepowerfarm
You stated flash ups the boost level. Raise the boost add fuel. So, I respectfully disagree.
It sounds like you're discussing two different things. He is saying the air/fuel ratio is set leaner. You are saying with more boost comes more fuel. You both can be correct and have both of these statements be true.
 
Old Feb 9, 2014 | 09:26 AM
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Originally Posted by OS Inspector
OEM cars generally run fat, so id say 90% of tunes lean the afr's some and if you up the boost of course you want to increase the fuel trims to compensate.

first part of this sentence says lean the afr's, second part says give it more fuel for more boost. increasing fuel trims to compensate for more boost would mean more fuel.

so technically its both!
 
Old Feb 13, 2014 | 07:31 AM
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When you flash a car you rewrite the target AFR's, boost targets, ignition targets. If you removed the limit on a stock tune it will hold the target afr the the stock flash is requesting(target) right up till the map sensor cant read and the O2's feed back is outside the +/- 25% trim. Talking about removing limits... Why do you think k16 and k24 flashes work so well? Yup Porsche/Bosch got it right and just limited the cars for the masses.
 
Old Feb 13, 2014 | 07:51 AM
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Originally Posted by danhaug70
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I am considering doing ONLY an exhaust mod. Thoughts?
Add a good tune - it will WAKE up and you will love it. The "F-hose" that houses the diverter valves will split/fail eventually and will require replacement. That's a good time to upgrade the factory diverter valves that leak when old.
 
Old Feb 13, 2014 | 07:56 AM
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A good tune and exhaust makes a world of difference.
As dar as Tuning, oem target Afrs are pretty lean and the 997s even leaner (.85 lambda on boost) and that's how they make power with lower boost( among other things).
 
Old Feb 13, 2014 | 09:49 AM
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Originally Posted by MARKSKI@911tuning
A good tune and exhaust makes a world of difference.
As dar as Tuning, oem target Afrs are pretty lean and the 997s even leaner (.85 lambda on boost) and that's how they make power with lower boost( among other things).

I saw dyno and AFR sheets on a few stock cars and they were on the rich side in the higher RPM range on full boost?? I thought and was told that's normal for safety reasons from Porsche?
 
Old Feb 13, 2014 | 10:08 AM
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996 more so then 997. But 997 is very lean.
 
Old Feb 13, 2014 | 10:43 AM
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Originally Posted by MARKSKI@911tuning
996 more so then 997. But 997 is very lean.

The AFRs were in the high 10s on both 996 turbos
 

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Old Feb 13, 2014 | 11:13 AM
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I can email you logs on did on my oem 997. Including te pic of the target afrs.
 

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