Not one person ever said anything about a VIper being on par with a CGT. It's not. It IS a little faster than a GT2.

 

According to my link, the weather was clear and the viper had 506HP not "50 less" as someone tried to sneak in.

...not pro drivers (so they dont count in my book)

Its a shame Im not talking about race cars. They are completely different.

Look in the first post again.

GT2 mk1
462HP
3175lbs

viper SRT-10 (as tested from my link)
506HP
3494lbs

--The numbers alone should be enough to determine which car performs better.


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Can anyone show solid proof like I have?

Here are the two cars in a REAL test.

BLACK AND WHITE

 

where do I even start w/ this post?


First, your proof isn't a real test, sorry.

2nd, #'s don't mean anything, power in the curve, torque (which the viper has plenty of), gearing, etc. ALL work into the equation, which you must seem to forget (and even though you don't like "drag racing" it can clearly be seen in those #'s, even though that's not what we are talking about here). what part of all the guys out here who have driven both and have experience w/ both, giving their REAL life experiences to you is hard for you to comprehend? You aren't really that thick headed of a porsche guy are you? Will your "future" 944 beat a viper too?

What about the "pro" drivers times at RA in the GT2, compared to amateurs in the old GTS's that has been posted now twice is hard for you to understand? (it's as much proof as you've provided)


I wasn't talking about "race cars" when I referred to vipers as excellent handling machines and anything but solely straight line deamons.


As far as your "look at the first post" in reference to comparing a CGT to a viper, that's an argument I never got into. A CGT and a Viper are not comparable, neither are a CGT and a GT2. Do we atleast agree on this


It's obvious you aren't gonna believe any of this, even comming from; once again, owners and drivers of both cars. So go ahead, stay in la-la land and have fun. It must be nice over there



edit on ring times: Ring Times are great and all, but I don't feel it's a great representation of a cars ultimate performance. All it takes is one wrong gear through a turn to exit at the wrong speed and you can easily lose multiple seconds off your time. While it's a fun comparison and all. If i'm not mistaken, the course has had some design changes since 2001 when the GT2 was run. It mentions nothing about the drivers, etc. The temps when the GT2 was running were 20 degrees cooler then the viper and the asphalt differences were almost 40 degrees. While none of these may make a 20 second difference, who really knows. Hence why you've gotten so many laughs at your ring times in this thread.

 

Ryan ... how old are you and what do you drive? PM me if you would like.

 

Not old enough I suppose, I didnt realize this forum had a credibility-age-limit. Cuz thats what you want to know the info for right? ...credibility?

Do I have to be a certain age to post researched facts?

And I am in disbelief that nobody thinks ring times are viable...that is just absurd to neglect it like hotrodguy is. Then he turns around and points at second hand info about Road Atlanta..

Oh and hotrodguy, NO my future 944(turbo) wont be faster than a viper.

 

If you noticed, I threw that in there, simply because, you threw in your "ring" info.


That said, this board doesn't discriminate from age if you know your ****, atleast they've never bothered me about it, and you and I are probably close to the same age. I'm not a porsche owner, just a dreamer like a lot here. That said, i'm young and have a lot of experience w/ high performance cars, I guess that's where I gain my credibility and why "most" on this board respect me.


What more can you ask for then real experience by real owners. Who have all provided you w/ a very clear answer Ring times are cool and all to do a little comparison, but the factors for each test are so different (as witnessed by just a few of the stats I mentioned to you), so what exactly is absurd about not following them like gold?

 

That say it all for me. I am out of this thread ... have fun fellas.

 

shame on you

 

This is one of the funniest threads ever.

Everyone is entitled to their opinion. I personally think the GT2 is the superior car, and handles better too.

With all due respect to Shank, his GT2 with 19" wheels is hardly setup the way it should be, nor do I believe he was running proper alignment.

In regards to David Murray and the GT2, having been to a track day with David, two things are obvious to me. 1) he can definitely do faster than 1:38 at Road Atlanta under race conditions 2) he is not as comfortable with the turbo charged RWD cars

Also, what tires were the Viper GTS running in the race series? I doubt it was street tires, unlike the PS1's that are shod on GT2s. Tires make a LOT of difference at the track.

This is not to say the Viper is not a decent and fast car. It is, but I think the GT2 is a better performance car for me.

MANA, how much seat time have YOU had in a GT2, especially at the track?

 

I'm with him, it's obvious you really aren't comprehending what's being said. Enjoy.

 

Hammann, I agree w/ you, everyone drives cars differently and opinions on what is better is all up to the driver. But either way you look at it, it's hard to say either car is truely "faster" then the other, it's obvious the GT2 is a lot more refined then the machismo of the viper. However, they are pretty dead even competition when it comes to speed, do you atleast agree w/ that?

 

All that being said, how are you more qualified than me? What experiences make you more credible?

You seem to be basing your replys off of the 2 owners here. Neither of which are pro drivers. One of which thinks money and age = sovereignty.

 

Nothing does, i've driven a new viper, haven't a GT2. I do know how quick vipers are and how well they handle, something to which your comments lead you to think are not true (and which my main argument has been against you). I'm basing my knowledge of knowing Vipers are great handling cars and not straight line demons like your posts have lead us to believe you think and your vast support of "ring times". And from stuff i've witnessed them do to other hi-po cars w/ my own 2 eyes and from many experiences talking to people who have owned and driven both extensively. So basically my credibility is in your ignorance in your lack of respect for what the viper is, oh, and your methods of argument. Your example of showing just the weights and HP #'s of both these cars shows just exactly where the flaws in your argument are. You forget things like gearing, like the power curve, the fact that both cars actually don't put down what either is advertised to lay down.


And if you think Mana's comments meant money and age = sovereignty you are mistaken and need to re-read this whole thread.

 

I believe he drives a carrera gt..

 

last word?