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Old Jun 28, 2014 | 07:25 PM
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Originally Posted by johnny.dangerous
We have full TIG facilities and I would 100% always bond mine, the epoxy we use has a 4000psi shear strength and theres no chance of getting a leak.

Can you tell me what the epoxy is that you use?
 
Old Jun 29, 2014 | 04:42 AM
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Its a 3M product, I will need to get the exact number for you when im at work, I bought the aplication gun and nozzles etc as well. It makes it easier as it comes out of the nozzle already mixed, TBH there is no real need to even pin with these new epoxy resins, hell they even use em instead of welding on motorcycle frames these days.

http://uk.rs-online.com/web/p/epoxy-...sives/4587292/
 
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Originally Posted by John@SpeedTech
Nobody knows for sure. I have the first coolant hose pop-out failure that I know of - I wrote about it in 2007 and there was no information on it at the time. I replaced it with a new factory oil cooler part. The new part lasted 6 months and popped again on the other side, so we welded them. Welded, mine have held up 6 years/55,000 miles now. I don't think they will ever fail due to the metal differences, but only time will tell. About a year after my failure, a lot of failures started being reported and people started trying different methods of repair...

With John being the first has anyone ever created a comprehensive list of the failures? I know that the NHTSA did their "investigation", but I have a hypothesis that these cars don't get driven as much as most cars, so the timiing of their study was done too soon. I think as others have stated it will only be matter of time where the % of failure would hit a point that would make some recourse possible?
 
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With John being the first has anyone ever created a comprehensive list of the failures? I know that the NHTSA did their "investigation", but I have a hypothesis that these cars don't get driven as much as most cars, so the timiing of their study was done too soon. I think as others have stated it will only be matter of time where the % of failure would hit a point that would make some recourse possible?
not going to happen. the only chance anybody ever had with getting any compensation was lost when the nhtsa decided nothing was wrong. from this point on its buyer be aware and get ready to fix it on your own.
 
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not going to happen. the only chance anybody ever had with getting any compensation was lost when the nhtsa decided nothing was wrong. from this point on its buyer be aware and get ready to fix it on your own.

You're probably right, but you never know - after all the General just had to recall cars back to the mid 90's
 
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You're probably right, but you never know - after all the General just had to recall cars back to the mid 90's
and porsche fixes any coolant fitting leaks with the same poorly designed parts that led to this discussion. weld them be done with it and move on to more pressing problems. more powa!!
 
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Originally Posted by 32krazy!
and porsche fixes any coolant fitting leaks with the same poorly designed parts that led to this discussion. weld them be done with it and move on to more pressing problems. more powa!!
sounds like the plan
 
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Originally Posted by ramman5600
sounds like the plan
if you are mechanically inclined you can drop the motor and trans, remove all the external parts, and send them to either gmg buckhead imports or any local shop to you that has a experienced tig welder on hand. ebs racing has a gasket kit you can buy for about 75$ that has all the gaskets needed to reinstall the welded parts and the other parts that were removed and then reinstall. only cost to you is welding and gaskets. winter time is a great time to do this project. you can do many other small things while the drivetrain is out as well.

this is a 7 out of 10 project not that hard
 
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Originally Posted by 32krazy!
if you are mechanically inclined you can drop the motor and trans, remove all the external parts, and send them to either gmg buckhead imports or any local shop to you that has a experienced tig welder on hand. ebs racing has a gasket kit you can buy for about 75$ that has all the gaskets needed to reinstall the welded parts and the other parts that were removed and then reinstall. only cost to you is welding and gaskets. winter time is a great time to do this project. you can do many other small things while the drivetrain is out as well.

this is a 7 out of 10 project not that hard
Have you used GMG? I sent an email and waiting on a response.
 
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Have you used GMG? I sent an email and waiting on a response.
the car that i purchased had all its mods and maintenance from gmg. my friend danny has his car taken care of by them as well.

full race shop they build mainly race cars but will maintain a customers car if you want to pay the fees.
 
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Having my pipes welded next week, along with most of the other items mentioned.

Going 140MPH+ at the track, the coolant pipes are the last thing I want to worry about.
 
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Originally Posted by 996TWINS
Having my pipes welded next week, along with most of the other items mentioned.

Going 140MPH+ at the track, the coolant pipes are the last thing I want to worry about.
Who are you having them done by? Also what area of SoCal are you in? I just picked up my first P-Car and this hasn't been done
 
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Who are you having them done by? Also what area of SoCal are you in? I just picked up my first P-Car and this hasn't been done

Speed Gallery in North Hollywood. The engine is going back in today. Turned out to be the right time to do it, the clutch slave cylinder was leaking a bit.

Not sure who is down in your area to do this job. Do a post in the SoCal section.

I will post all that was done after the car is picked up.
 

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I just had my gt3 in for this. Lucky still under warranty.
I still had to shell $ out of pocket ($2400) - but that included getting things welded + water pump + hoses + sensors + buncha other preventive stuff...

p.s. a Porsche dealer did this for me.

I did the welding, i think this is the correct way of fixing the problem - my dealer fully agreed with me on this decision.
 
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Originally Posted by f1crazydriver
I just had my gt3 in for this. Lucky still under warranty.
I still had to shell $ out of pocket ($2400) - but that included getting things welded + water pump + hoses + sensors + buncha other preventive stuff...

p.s. a Porsche dealer did this for me.

I did the welding, i think this is the correct way of fixing the problem - my dealer fully agreed with me on this decision.

Hopefully this works. Here's a pic of the pile of pipes welded. Going to pressure test before reinstall.
 
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