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Video: BMW M6 vs. 911 Turbo (996) standard

Old Oct 19, 2005 | 06:03 PM
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I agree, the TT is way to slooooooow in this race. It is either staged, something badly wrong with the car or the guy does not know how to drive.

As already stated, the M6 may have 80 horses on the TT but it also weighs 700lbs more. It could not run off and leave the TT the way it did IMO.

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Old Oct 19, 2005 | 06:15 PM
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Originally posted by OldGuy
Relevant would be wieght
which is in the post
Your not going to find ANY 4000 production car that is faster than TT
except maybe your chipped Diesel pickup!
It would be more relevant if your weights were at all representative of the cars. I can't find any site that has a 700 lbs difference between the two. In fact, according to porsche, the 911TT weighs 3505 lbs in manual form, and according to every source for the M6 it weighs in at 3750 +/-25 lbs. That would mean the M6 has a higher power to weight ratio

Feel free to show me information to the contrary though.
 
Old Oct 19, 2005 | 06:15 PM
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The video cleary shows that the times were extremely slow. The video states they started at 30 mph and ended at 155. Simply watch the video and you'll see the exact time it took.
 
Old Oct 19, 2005 | 06:18 PM
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The video says that's what the run was up too, it makes no mention that they ended the video when the BMW hit that speed. You're making assumptions.

Maybe Gustav can clarify.
 
Old Oct 19, 2005 | 06:33 PM
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Shiggins I dont know what your problem is but go to the BMW website dont trust me
The site states the M6 wieghs 1785 Kilos which is roughly 4000 lbs.
The unsprung wieght ratio of the BMW is probably even more and the scale is not linear- its almost exponential. It takes alot more horsepower to get an even heavier vehicle going.
Thats why guys who mod their TTs dont notice 50-75 HP that much-
I thought the TT wieghs 3300lbs
(at least the 993 did)
Oh wait a second you have the BMW marketing guide. Face it these guys came in trolling.
 
Old Oct 19, 2005 | 06:34 PM
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Still doesn't change the fact that the M6 is an ugly pig.

Try running against an X50 Turbo or a GT2 for a more pertinent comparison... result would be different, I promise you.
 
Old Oct 19, 2005 | 06:42 PM
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if the m6 can beat the x50 i'll trade it in tomorrow .......... not !
 
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Originally posted by OldGuy
Shiggins I dont know what your problem is but go to the BMW website dont trust me
The site states the M6 wieghs 1785 Kilos which is roughly 4000 lbs.
The unsprung wieght ratio of the BMW is probably even more and the scale is not linear- its almost exponential. It takes alot more horsepower to get an even heavier vehicle going.
Thats why guys who mod their TTs dont notice 50-75 HP that much-
I thought the TT wieghs 3300lbs
(at least the 993 did)
Oh wait a second you have the BMW marketing guide. Face it these guys came in trolling.
I don't have a problem. I'm simply providing an alternate view. You seem to be the one with the problem. The M6 weight on that page is the European unladen weight, which IIRC, means it has a 70kg passenger and 5 kg of luggage included. Apples to Apples, the car weighs 3762 lbs. My comment stands.

I don't know why they came here, and you are probably correct, to troll. But, trying to dismiss the results of their test through fictional facts doesn't help your cause.
 

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Old Oct 19, 2005 | 07:08 PM
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BMW M6 V-10 507 HP SMGIII vs. 911 Turbo 996 generation. Both cars are standard and the 911 had 70 000 km on it. BMW M6 37 000 km. The BMW M6 has the identical powerplant and gearbox to the BMW M5.
The 06 M6 already have 37K on it??? if this it true, they were very hard working driver!
 
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forget it this didnt happen
 
Old Oct 19, 2005 | 07:22 PM
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I believe it. Im on the M5 board all the time.
The weight doesn't really matter when you get up to those speeds. I can believe it because the new M5 is faster than a stock TT and the M5 weighs more. from 100-200kph the M5 is 9.3 sec, and a stock TT is 10.4
Info is from track-challenge.com
Just so you know, I could give a ****. I don't like the new M5 or M6. But the M6 is faster.
 
Old Oct 19, 2005 | 07:30 PM
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FYI...the M6 has ran a 12.2 @ 120.5 mph, bone stock. It also went 0-200 KPH in 12.8 seconds. 0.3 seconds faster than a 2005 Turbo S. Also, it's 100-200kph time is .4 seconds faster than the Turbo S'. It's very strong from a roll.

M6:
http://www.einszweidrei.de/bmw/m6e632005-1.htm

Turbo S:
http://www.einszweidrei.de/porsche/996turbos2005-1.htm

You guys are underestimating the advantage it's 8,250 rpm redline in conjunction with it's 7-speed SMG transmission gives it.

It's very fast. Stock for stock it's considerably faster than a stock, non-X50 or S TT.

The negative? It won't respond to mods nearly as well as the TT does.

P.S. - The new and heavier M5 traps 118-119 mph.

Originally posted by OldGuy
Just so you know you're full O crap the BMW M6 stated time 0-60 is 4.6 seconds.
In this world of turbos and GT cars thats really slow- REALLY slow. Now the m6 has 500 hp compared to the 420 of the TT but wieghs 700 more pounds. YUP you full O crap.
 

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Old Oct 19, 2005 | 07:39 PM
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Forget about comparing the 2 cars in the video. The time it took to obtain maximum speed of the BMW of 155 was pathetically slow. Period. If it beat the TT, then TT was even more pathetically slow. 30 -150 in 18 seconds just isn't quick. The guy driving the BMW didn't know how to shift properly either. Probably wasted a couple of seconds just switching gears. I suspect that the TT driver was sight seeing or didn't know what gear to be in.


If that is all the M6 has to offer, I look forward to running into one someday. The M6 has a nice looking front end I could admire it in my rear view mirror.
 
Old Oct 19, 2005 | 07:41 PM
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Originally posted by 1999Porsche911
So, tell us why either car is considered fast when it took so long to get from 30 mph to 150? These cars can get to 150 from a dead stop faster than that. Something is not right. Videos that are time stamped do not lie. Like I said, that was a very slow race. But if you're impressed, I am happy for you.
Man, do you ever shut up? We know if your supercharged 3.4 liter was in the race you would have smoked everyone and sucked all the womens panties off that were in the vicinity, but honestly, just shut up for once.

Do you think the guys on m5board have any reason to lie? They did a shootout between the m5 and a ton of cars and had many unbiased opinions. Yes, the BMW V10 is faster than a stock non x50 turbo, not hard to believe.

Plus the driver of the porsche posted, what reason does he have to lie? For fun to amuse you?
 

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Old Oct 19, 2005 | 07:45 PM
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Originally posted by OldGuy
Shiggins I dont know what your problem is but go to the BMW website dont trust me
The site states the M6 wieghs 1785 Kilos which is roughly 4000 lbs.
The unsprung wieght ratio of the BMW is probably even more and the scale is not linear- its almost exponential. It takes alot more horsepower to get an even heavier vehicle going.
Thats why guys who mod their TTs dont notice 50-75 HP that much-
I thought the TT wieghs 3300lbs
(at least the 993 did)
Oh wait a second you have the BMW marketing guide. Face it these guys came in trolling.
Power down, they didn't come in here trolling. Go on m5board.com , Gustav is as professional as they come. Basically, he is posting this information not to start a riot but to share it. You just can't seem to understand that the m6 really is that fast, god forbid it smokes a porsche and it pretty much was in another league speed wise.

They were going from a roll also, it takes a lot of hp to get something heavy moving but once an object is already in motion is doesn't take as much force to accelerate it. For an old guy, either your memory from school isn't serving you or alzheimers is setting in.
 

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