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Old Nov 18, 2015 | 06:43 AM
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Originally Posted by c32AMG-DTM
http://tiltonracing.com/product/pors...el-assemblies/ Tilton's triple carbon clutch is still $6k+. Tilton makes a metallic clutch also, and the twin disc is $2500. On their main page for describing clutches, they mention that the metallic is not recommended for street use, but they don't go into why?
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Old Nov 18, 2015 | 08:20 AM
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Originally Posted by Powell
Weird Matt's 997TT has never has been shimmed and he drives it plenty, hell even Mrs. Swole Powell drives it too. You can hear it in the car slightly but not enough to bother anyone.

You can hear it in the 996TT though for sure, but honestly everything in a 996 is loud
i am not sure how much Matt drives around town but with Tilton its just the way it is. You HAVE to get it reshimmed all the time otherwise you will burn it up, Tilton will tell you this, same thing in the UGR turbo lambos. They do 1-2k miles between shimming it. Which is why UGR doesnt recommend people running that clutch until you have to, up to 1R they always suggest their ceramic clutch which will last for a long time maintenance free.
 
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Carbon or metallic?
 
Old Nov 18, 2015 | 09:12 AM
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Originally Posted by prodigymb
i am not sure how much Matt drives around town but with Tilton its just the way it is. You HAVE to get it reshimmed all the time otherwise you will burn it up, Tilton will tell you this, same thing in the UGR turbo lambos. They do 1-2k miles between shimming it. Which is why UGR doesnt recommend people running that clutch until you have to, up to 1R they always suggest their ceramic clutch which will last for a long time maintenance free.
Mark I know ERP/RSS are your homeys but that is the biggest amount of horse**** I've ever read about Tilton. I had 6000 miles on my stock motor with mid 800rwhp levels on my Tilton and yes it got reshimmed WHEN I BUILT THE MOTOR. I had another 5-6k miles with 1000+rwhp EVERYTIME I drove it and it FINALLY got the disk rebuilt at 11-12k miles. Trust me I drove MY car plenty as well as Matt's.

It's cool to take your friends company back but don't go off of something you've never owned and only "heard about".

I'm sure ERP is going to fix Danny's clutch and get him taken care of. I'm stating this all because sometime in the future someone may be looking for the same information as Danny was awhile back.
 

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Old Nov 18, 2015 | 09:47 AM
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Originally Posted by Powell
Mark I know ERP/RSS are your homeys but that is the biggest amount of horse**** I've ever read about Tilton. I had 6000 miles on my stock motor with mid 800rwhp levels on my Tilton and yes it got reshimmed WHEN I BUILT THE MOTOR. I had another 5-6k miles with 1000+rwhp EVERYTIME I drove it and it FINALLY got the disk rebuilt at 11-12k miles. Trust me I drove MY car plenty as well as Matt's.

It's cool to take your friends company back but don't go off of something you've never owned and only "heard about".

I'm sure ERP is going to fix Danny's clutch and get him taken care of. I'm stating this all because sometime in the future someone may be looking for the same information as Danny was awhile back.
I dont know why you are getting so bent out of shape. Its cool to d***ride tilton but going as far as calling me a liar over a petty argument - i would not do that to you, what I was told when I wanted to get a Tilton years ago( need for reshimming is a known fact whether you get it done or not Chris) and what I said about TT lambos is what i was told by lambo owners. That is why I do not own a Tilton now along with the fact that the only one I have seen and heard was worse than the bad ERP I had, not to mention their flywheel was having crank sensor trigger errors on TopGuns car and it had to get an external crank position sensor. I could care less if you are running a Tilton or an ERP or an Exedy or a Sachs as long as you are going fast with it which you haven't done in a while.

The only reason I commented in here is because I found it funny that a handful of guys including you are claiming Tilton is the ONLY way to go for drag/street racing. You went 10.0 on a Tilton? Matt went 10.3? Big deal - I went 10.3 on a single disk Sachs. What about Chris Green who ran 9.4 record and a ton of other mid 9s passes on the ERP, I guess it must s**k that much.
 
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Old Nov 18, 2015 | 10:16 AM
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You know what you're right Mark! Sorry for disagreeing with the go fast guru

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Let's put EVERYTHING on the surface:


PRODIGYmb SELLS THIS PRODUCT..... so keep that in mind when buying..........he makes money on sales.








Originally Posted by prodigymb
my original ERP was flawless in the 996TT, then i received an update that had issues which they fixed for me. my sachs 2.5 started slipping and i just put an ERP in my 997tt. i got a brand new redesigned one with 9 fingers on the floaters and new finish on the hub to prevent sticking. my car drives just fine, shifts fast, goes into gear and any rpm and my wife drives it. send it back to Rob and have him machine you all new parts.

1/4 mile 996 ET record set using a ERP triple disk. standing 1 mile watercooled Porsche record set on a ERP triple disk.

not sure why all the sudden Tilton is the "only way to go", having options is better than not having options.

i recently did 4.9 60-130 on a slipping sachs 2.5 and have since gone 4.7 60-130 after replacing the clutch. stock motor.
Originally Posted by prodigymb
For my 997 at this time I could have went with a tilton regardless of cost. I drove my car 8000 miles last year and tilton will need to be reshimed after driving on street like that maybe more than once. It also makes significantly more noise,only car I have heard seen run with it is TopGuns. It's just a nature of the beast.


You have only seen this on one car but you are now an expert?


Also doing one or two glory pulls to get a number and have a broke *** car doesn't sound like something I would put a stamp of approval on.




Originally Posted by prodigymb
i am not sure how much Matt drives around town but with Tilton its just the way it is. You HAVE to get it reshimmed all the time otherwise you will burn it up, Tilton will tell you this, same thing in the UGR turbo lambos. They do 1-2k miles between shimming it. Which is why UGR doesnt recommend people running that clutch until you have to, up to 1R they always suggest their ceramic clutch which will last for a long time maintenance free.

UGR does not recommend the clutch upgrade because of "Streetability". People spending $325K on a turbo build have the right to be a little bit "picky."








This response is IMHO......
 

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PRODIGYmb SELLS THIS PRODUCT..... so keep that in mind when buying..........he makes money on sales.

This response is IMHO......

So in your opinion is something wrong with making money from a product you sell ? Granted not only one he sells but one he uses.
 
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Let's put EVERYTHING on the surface:

PRODIGYmb SELLS THIS PRODUCT..... so keep that in mind when buying..........he makes money on sales.
Everything is and was on the surface about that. I sponsored 6speed and sold the clutch after helping them develop it and test it, I believed in it 100% and it worked flawless for me and many others. They made more revisions that I didn't even know about and some had issues and some other ones were screwed up during install (bent floaters, wrong hydraulics etc) at which point I stopped so no more went out like that. Now that they are fixed and they have more test units on the road with some miles, including mine I will probably sponsor and do it again. Nothing wrong from making money on a great product you helped develop, nothing wrong with trying to add a good product at a competitive price point. Key is: good and it has to work. $4k is a lot of money to spend on something that doesn't, and I did my best to take care of people that had issues with it regardless of if they got it from me or not which cost me money and time, no one was left hanging.

I did not sell this particular clutch Danny has in his car which is what you were alluding to I'm sure.

Kyle - You yourself actually emailed asking to be sponsored for one and were denied sponsorship because your car never actually did anything at that time, and it still hasn't to this date over year later. You act like you are in the big leagues but you aren't all I see you do is try and bully BMW 335s and M3s in their facebook group with your "1000hp killer".

IMHO you need to put your grudge behind you like you told me you would after being banned from here and calling me begging to help get you unbanned.
 
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For the Record, I didn't get my Clutch from Mark and whether he sells it or not facts are facts. The fact is Cris does claim to have a ERP TRIPLE and he does drive the crap out of his car, but once again he does sell it as well. I guess the question for the ERP set up would be could it be made to disengage at high RPM when launching a High HP car from a Dig? Why so inconsistent from kit to kit? Also does Tilton Triple clutch require more maintenance such as Shimming after a few thousand miles?

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The twin and tripple metalic does not require reshimming at the low interval stated above. Have 6000 miles on my car as an example and there is still a healthy gap between the HRB and PP.
 
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Carbon or metallic?
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The twin and tripple metalic does not require reshimming at the low interval stated above. Have 6000 miles on my car as an example and there is still a healthy gap between the HRB and PP.
Sean ,what's the main differences between the carbon and the metallic?

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Originally Posted by turbodanny
Sean ,what's the main differences between the carbon and the metallic?

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Racing Clutches

Racing clutches for high-horsepower race track applications and extreme street applications.

Carbon/Carbon:

Extremely low inertia, high torque capacity, high heat capacity and smooth engagement characteristics. Found in road racing, endurance racing, off-road and high-performance street applications.

Metallic

The most common clutch type used in road racing and circle track racing. Not recommended for street use.

Cerametallic:

Increased clutch modulation through thicker than sintered metallic discs. Provide higher heat capacity through their increased mass. Popular in applications such as rally, hill climb, club racing and street/strip.
 
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i rode in seans car and he drives it extremely hard. until he told me it was a tilton i thought it felt like an erp. wasn't harsh at all.

having said that and since i already have the erp I'm going to stay with it and see how it performs. randy had zero issues with his after the last upgrade (not the latest but for his)
 


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