i have to disagree with this. if comparing a GT2 and a TT set up the same way with the same driver, as long as he's not a terrible driver i'd say the GT2 wins hands down. The better the driver is, the more of a difference he will be able to exploit, but anyone with experience should be quicker in the GT2.

You guys keep believing the hype - the GT2 is not THAT hard to drive. It is, of course, engineered by porsche. They didn't put out a car that was so poorly engineered that no mortal could drive it.

I am a decent driver, done a good deal of kart racing and raced spec cars for a while. I would rate myself a 6.5/10 compared to others that regularly track their cars and/or race. Even with Stage IV i do not find the GT2 unbearably tough to control. Sure it is DIFFERENT than the TT, but when the roads are dry i would be quicker in the GT2 than a tt.

-Steve

 

JAS, I hope you weren't referring to Turbo owners as poseurs in your page one post. Just because a more expensive model exisits doesn't lessen the other models. I don't think too many 575M drivers feel inadequate just because the Enzo exists. My use of the word "useless" was a little harsh but Eric's original question, remember that, was why GT-2 prices have tanked. My not so tactful answer, as someone else said, was they are charging a $50,000 premium for a decontented car. Maybe the basic Turbo owner would swap his car if offered a GT-2 but I wouldn't. Maybe if you track the car regularly and have something else for regular driving, the GT-2 makes more sense than the Turbo, but otherwise it doesn't and the prices are really reflecting that. I can't wait to see how many 2004 GT-2's they sell at $190,000. If you want exclusivity, buy a Lambo b/c then someone knows what it is and doesn't confuse it with a hundred other Porsches running around.

 

I don't think anyone is saying the GT2 is a bad car, just way overpricedØ

 

Not when you consider the cost to get the TT hp on par and the suspension and brakes equivalent...After those costs tacked onto the price of a new TT, you are not too far away from the price of a GT2...

 

"Not when you consider the cost to get the TT hp on par and the suspension and brakes equivalent...After those costs tacked onto the price of a new TT, you are not too far away from the price of a GT2.."

yes, and it would be interesting to get a total $ spent on chad's car as well as a ratio of time it's been out of the shop and actually available to drive since he began his journey. i've read a lot of hp claims re: chad's car, and it's a shame he can't make the shootout he originally started to back it up. it's also too bad they won't be using the same dyno at the shootout that chad's numbers come from

 

Not one bit Drjim, I am a Turbo owner as well so I dont consider them posers although a lot of sports car owners tend to be, it seems that on this board a lot of Turbo owners are quick to bash the GT2 when they have no experience to go off of, I love both cars and if I had a choice of the 2 based off the overall use I have for the car I would probably go with the Turbo, but I have experience with both and enjoy driving both 2 and 4WD at different times.

 

Anyone interested PM me.

 

bottom line is that if you prefer AWD buy the TT and if you can afford it and prefer RWD buy the GT2. I personally just don't like the feel of an AWD car so I would not consider the TT at its MSRP, although at 80 grand for a 2001 i have to admit it is tough to pass up.

-Steve

 

Agreed, A used Turbo at under $100k is a lot of car and a great value if its a good example.

 

I agree with Chad on his points. The bottom line is this, for the vast majority of Porsche owners, and I know many on this board are excluded, they are not good enough drivers to own a GT2. I am one of those people, a guy like the vast majority of Porsche turbo owners , who do not have the driving ability to own such a car. If I owned a GT2, I am sure I would be dead or someone on the road would be dead. It is raw and unforgiving. I drove one, and although, I felt it wasn't as quick as my car is now, it overwhelmed me. I felt at any moment, if I made a mistake, I would lose it. Add to the above, that most streets and conditions around teh country are not anywhere near the conditions in Cali. How can I own a GT2 in Chicago?? Couldn't happen unless it was a garage queen and I owned at least two other cars. For my money, I'll take AWD anyday, for my safety and yours

Lou

 

I put myself in LSM's category and like the driver aids and items that make it easier to drive the Turbo hard occassionally whereas the GT-2 might bite back. Both cars are great and have a different purpose.

 

She will BITE back, no question. The GT2 is a over a year old with 1,400 miles on it and is showroom, goes out for occasional rides and isnt a primary use sports car here.

 

The bite is relative, IMO...Through the experience with driving the car whether it's a GT2 or GT3, you will learn what to do and what not to do...If your a driver that has been driving awd and then jumps into a rwd car and tries to drive it maxed out the first time out, then shame on you...You will get over your head fast. As long as you take the time to get the feel of the car with it's handling characteristics, anyone can drive a GT car as fast and virtually as safely as an awd car...

 

thank you. someone finally making some sense.

Look guys, the GT2 is not possessed or evil. It also happens to be a VERY well balanced car. The first magazine reviews decided they were going to call it difficult to drive and everyone just believed them. The 360 is RWD, you don't hear people saying that they are possessed.

It's just a car. It has to obey the laws of physics. If you understand those laws and how they apply to a RWD car then it will be a very rewarding experience.

 

Hey guys, I can't change opinions, but let me share some personel experience. We can swap ends on my car on a turn at will. I guess some would say the car is evil. S Car Go Racing has run a couple of modded GT2's against my turbo numerous times. Excellence has run the GT2 against my turbo. They had also offered European Car a GT2 for the shootout. EC declined because they felt it would be going against unfair competition. The GT2's have never been close in acceleration, handling or braking (in our comparison tests). Rob at S Car Go Racing mods alot of both .... give him a call and inquire.

My observations have been:

1) The GT2 has it's hands full on a handling course with about 520 hp.

2) The turbo has it's hands full with about 625 hp.

3) The awd will out accelerate the 2wd from a standing stop.

4) Once traction can be maintained the GT2 will accelerate faster.

The GT2 has some advantages it was born with .... suspension, gearing, reduced weight, tires etc. All the above can be added (or subtracted) to the turbo and when it is coupled with the awd, watch out GT2. Unless you actually see it, I know, you won't believe it.

As for the brakes, my experiences with the PCCB's is they are not worth having. The PCCB's do not perform as well as the GT3RS brakes (which can be added to the turbo). They cost a fortune and if you race them be prepared to replace them after each race.

Hey, they are both great cars. Stock they provide different experiences. If handling, acceleration and roadability are your goals the turbo is the better platform to start with in my opinion.