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Old Nov 29, 2003 | 02:04 AM
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Bottom completely fell out on the 03 GT2 market? I have a yellow one with 2k miles on it, its spotless and cant get hardly anything out of it. Wholesale or retail. What happened? I know the Lamborghini market but very little abourt the Porsche market. Will it come back at all?

It had a window of $191,000 what would be reasonable now? I dont need the $$$. I just dont drive the car and would like to move it.
 
Old Nov 29, 2003 | 03:54 AM
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JMO Eric but I've said it many times before: the GT-2 is mostly useless as a road car over an X-50 or modified Turbo. For the premium sticker, you don't get much value. It was hot briefly and then cooled and probably will never be back. Way off in the future, low-mile examples will be Porsche collector cars but that's about it. If you can stomach the loss, sell it now.
 
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Old Nov 29, 2003 | 09:26 AM
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JMO Eric but I've said it many times before: the GT-2 is mostly useless as a road car over an X-50 or modified Turbo. For the premium sticker, you don't get much value. It was hot briefly and then cooled and probably will never be back. Way off in the future, low-mile examples will be Porsche collector cars but that's about it. If you can stomach the loss, sell it now.

The GT2 is a far from useless road car, it appeals to people that enjoy 2WD and in the Turbos its the only choice today and now the more tamed version, the GT3 hits the lineup, I enjoy driving the 2 and 4WD cars so I like them both but there are people that are against the 4WD therefore they buy a GT2, the GT2 is a very different car to drive, very light feel, many Turbo owners comment in a negative tone against the GT2 for reasons they dont know from experience, just from what they like to believe, I think some are sour because their Turbo used to be the highest ticket Porsche and then the GT2 hits the lineup and they cant brag when they go from their house to the restaurant and valet thier car up front, big stepup now for the posers, now arrive the CGT.
 
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Some people may like the feel of the 2wd. Some may like the "high ticket" or past high ticket. Some like the superior eveyday road handling of the awd. The fact still remains the turbo platform has the most potential, period. I include the CGT in that statement. The GT 2 has trouble handling the power it comes with. I like the CGT. However, the CGT is what you get, at least for the forseeable future (try modding one). It is also my opinion, due to the carbon frame, insurance will be out of this world. Most people won't be able to really afford to push them due to the risk that one accident could result in a total. I would have no problem walking away from a CGT in acceleration. As far as handling, I believe it would be so close as not to be a very measureable difference. When the GT 2 arrived I heard the same hype. I have yet to find one that can live up to the hype. I don't believe the GGT will be far behind. The biggest thing hurt will be the ego.
 
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It's soft for GT2s in Europe too

I think GT2s are lovely cars, and for what I do, I would
have preferred it over the 996tt, but in August of '00
they weren't even a rumor. However, there are two
factors against the GT2:

1 - The added road feel of the more elemental GT2 is too small
a difference for 99% of the market, compared to the safety and
wet weather performance of the 996tt. Power diffs are mostly
moot because a few bucks here and there can get either car into
the scary-fast range.

2 - If the GT2 had come onto the market before the 996tt, it
would have been easy to charge more for the 996tt based on
the added features. Looked at dispassionately, the GT2 is
really a decontented 996tt. Note that this is just what some
people want, but there is a resistence to paying more for
less. The premium is more marketing hype. There is nothing
special or exotic about the GT2 except Porsche deciding not to
make as many of them. In Europe the same market softness
exists for the GT2 particularly over the 996tt.

If someone wanted to swap his GT2 for my 996tt, straight up,
I'd consider it, because I want to get heavily into autocross,
and the GT2 would be superior for that (in the dry). If I had
another 1$ mil I'd buy a GT2 for nothing but autocross, but
if it's one car or the other I don't see value-for-premium.
*I WISH I HAD YOUR CAR*, but the premium doesn't make
sense.
 
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I watched Dave Colman destroyed some specifically designed autocross cars at an autocross this last summer with my tt. The looks on many of the faces were priceless. I just don't see the GT2 outperforming the turbo platform.
 
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I agree with the fact the car was overpriced at the oringianl MSRP when in fact you pay more to get less, all I am saying is that the car is the only turbo to appeal to the select few that want 2WD, lighter feel car, the GT2 is a scary fast car, not many people can handle them, the great thing is how rare the car is, I have yet to see another on the road.
 
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For me, the only thing the GT2 has better than the turbo are it's looks. (I would not think I could adequately exploit the GT2's performance advantage)

But I can add the GT2 factory body kit for about 10k ... and with a few engine mods, have just as fast and good looking a car for significantly less expense.

Plus I have AWD. Plus the Turbo didn't get slammed in the press (wrongly?) for being difficult to drive as the GT2 did.
 

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My brother literly stole his cobalt GT2, its a long story but the previous owner owed my brother a significant amount of money for legal fees...he was going bankrupt and my brother stole it for 100k. not a bad..deal... Its a blast to drive...very raw. ilove being able to drift..nothing is more fun than stepping out the rear end..
 
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I have said this before and will say it again, I prefer AWD and with the power I am making NEED AWD. I have the perfect tt for me modified to my exact tastes and it will kick a GT2 in the a** for about the same money. Plus I have a wicked stereo and body mods, and wheels that make mine look different than an ordinary GT2.

Just my .02 of course!

I agree with Chad no way a GT2 will handle better than my tt with KW coilovers and swaybars adjusted properly.

 
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"I agree with Chad no way a GT2 will handle better than my tt with KW coilovers and swaybars adjusted properly"

can't the GT2 suspension be modded as well? doesn't the GT2 torch the TT on the ring?

also, in addition to not being able to understand why people compare modded TTs to stock GT2s, i think it even more ludicrous to compare a modded TT to a significantly lighter and stiffer CGT. hey, if someone wanted to spend the money on a CGT mod project chad has spent on his TT, the CGT would make his TT look like a toyota corrola.
 

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The awd just has too much of an advantage. What are you going to do to the GT2...JRZ's? Even, then it can't control the power. Like harnessing it to the road.

Don't go the weight direction. I am currently within seventy pounds of the CGT. I don't believe currently there is much you could do to the CGT. Give it a couple of years and it may be a different story. Like I said, I pity the owner who has just spent 450K on a CGT and has his head handed to him on a platter.
 
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If two wheel drive is so inferior, why is that all serious pro racing Porcshe's are two wheel drive???

Ie: Le Man and the American Le Man series??? You obviously have to be a more skilled driver for 2wd and if you take the same skill with 2wd vs 4wd, 2wd will win because the car is a ton lighter and more nimble in the handling area. Just my 2 cents..not dissing the 4wd, but 2wd has it's advantages too, as long as the driver skill is there...
 
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If two wheel drive is so inferior, why is that all serious pro racing Porcshe's are two wheel drive???

Ie: Le Man and the American Le Man series??? You obviously have to be a more skilled driver for 2wd and if you take the same skill with 2wd vs 4wd, 2wd will win because the car is a ton lighter and more nimble in the handling area. Just my 2 cents..not dissing the 4wd, but 2wd has it's advantages too, as long as the driver skill is there...
Chris, Exactly, no 4WD for the racers, I know a lot of guys at the track that drive 2WD and dont want 4WD at all, out of the box the GT2 will smoke a Turbo, my point is that the GT2 appeals to Turbo lovers that want the 2WD and have no other option but a GT2, I am not talking about modding cars, I am talking factory built cars, some just dont get it and keep talking about modded Turbos, I own a Turbo and never said a bad thing about it, its so far my favorite car to drive, the balance of the car is incredible, I just got home from a quick run with it, running crisp in this cool air.
 


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