RWD Conversion Complete...one word...AWESOME!!!
Originally Posted by Me_qwkr
well thie viscous thing is all B.S.. lets see two of my japaness cars the skyline and 240 came with the viscous diff... now after about 500hp they say to just dump it and get a 1.5 way diff.. but honestly if you want to keep the diff alive then do the following... Get a diff cooler and also change the oil out of the diff ever 3k miles...
Hey also what are the cons of doing this... I mean all i gotta do is drop my drive shaft and there we go? If so i am doing it tommorw when i get my baby back...
Hey Marksi... ur lucky u got only one cop on ur street...The first time i came home with the Skyline at 3 am i woke up almost my entire neightborhood.. I got a note in the mail the following day from EVERYONE saying if i dont stop being so loud that actions would be takin against me... so you know what.. NOW I COME HOME EVEN LOUDERED AND FASTER... One night i almost hit a guy walking his 5 year old son on his bike.. at 2am.. The dad was like hey u know kids live around here... I responed..
"Sure but i didnt know we had crack heads like you walking them at 2am.." LOL
Hey also what are the cons of doing this... I mean all i gotta do is drop my drive shaft and there we go? If so i am doing it tommorw when i get my baby back...
Hey Marksi... ur lucky u got only one cop on ur street...The first time i came home with the Skyline at 3 am i woke up almost my entire neightborhood.. I got a note in the mail the following day from EVERYONE saying if i dont stop being so loud that actions would be takin against me... so you know what.. NOW I COME HOME EVEN LOUDERED AND FASTER... One night i almost hit a guy walking his 5 year old son on his bike.. at 2am.. The dad was like hey u know kids live around here... I responed..
"Sure but i didnt know we had crack heads like you walking them at 2am.." LOL
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Three things come up to my mind:
1. CAN ANYONE TAKE FOTOS AND DO A DIY ON THIS??? P L E A S E ?
2. Can anyone provide the website of Guard to check their LSD's?
3. This issue on the viscous coupling is it really an issue?
If removing the drive shaft (just the drive shaft) is a simple job, I'll be taking it out on the summer and for the ocasional track use and putting it back in for the winter...
1. CAN ANYONE TAKE FOTOS AND DO A DIY ON THIS??? P L E A S E ?
2. Can anyone provide the website of Guard to check their LSD's?
3. This issue on the viscous coupling is it really an issue?
If removing the drive shaft (just the drive shaft) is a simple job, I'll be taking it out on the summer and for the ocasional track use and putting it back in for the winter...
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Originally Posted by Me_qwkr
well thie viscous thing is all B.S.. lets see two of my japaness cars the skyline and 240 came with the viscous diff... now after about 500hp they say to just dump it and get a 1.5 way diff.. but honestly if you want to keep the diff alive then do the following... Get a diff cooler and also change the oil out of the diff ever 3k miles...
Hey also what are the cons of doing this... I mean all i gotta do is drop my drive shaft and there we go? If so i am doing it tommorw when i get my baby back...
Hey also what are the cons of doing this... I mean all i gotta do is drop my drive shaft and there we go? If so i am doing it tommorw when i get my baby back...
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Originally Posted by Me_qwkr
your right he came out with a gun my came out with crack...but like two days later that crack head started shooting at my house cause he thought someone was outside his 3rd level window trying to break in...remind you there was no balcony to the window he shot at.... The cops came and took the following items away... One CREATE of LIVE GRENADES, 2 Russian made old skool AK-47, a set of nickle plated 1911 45's, 2 shotguns, and 2 more other machine guns one looked like it may have been an AR15 but they carried it in a blanket out...
So yeah I feel you... I totally feel you... Now i go a different way home..LOL
So yeah I feel you... I totally feel you... Now i go a different way home..LOL
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Its great that you can do this conversion so cheaply. However, the problem with the diff heating up and seizing is a REAL one - especially with higher HP cars. The 9ff 2WD conversion entails several important (for longevity reasons) enhancements. First and foremost is the oil cooler for the diff. Additionally, your 1 and 2 gears need strengthening. Not sure about X50 cars, as those are rumored to be strengthened.
Bottom line, these care are too complex to simply take things out and expect everything will be fine. The AWD system will always send minimum 5% of the power to the front diff. Now that its been diverted - you have to ask yourself where that extra 5% is going - and whether that system was *designed* to take that extra stress.
Next...you then ask yourself what that 5% of power pushing against a resistance that has been completely eliminated now looks like...10%...15%?
I dont want to rain on the parade...but I've seen how extensive the 9ff 2WD conversion is. Granted the kit includes an LSD from the GT1 and other bits, but still it would be a shame to see parts of your gearbox, then engine dribbling down the road behing you...tick tick tick...
Bottom line, these care are too complex to simply take things out and expect everything will be fine. The AWD system will always send minimum 5% of the power to the front diff. Now that its been diverted - you have to ask yourself where that extra 5% is going - and whether that system was *designed* to take that extra stress.
Next...you then ask yourself what that 5% of power pushing against a resistance that has been completely eliminated now looks like...10%...15%?
I dont want to rain on the parade...but I've seen how extensive the 9ff 2WD conversion is. Granted the kit includes an LSD from the GT1 and other bits, but still it would be a shame to see parts of your gearbox, then engine dribbling down the road behing you...tick tick tick...
Originally Posted by SDboosted
Its great that you can do this conversion so cheaply. However, the problem with the diff heating up and seizing is a REAL one - especially with higher HP cars. The 9ff 2WD conversion entails several important (for longevity reasons) enhancements. First and foremost is the oil cooler for the diff. Additionally, your 1 and 2 gears need strengthening. Not sure about X50 cars, as those are rumored to be strengthened.
Bottom line, these care are too complex to simply take things out and expect everything will be fine. The AWD system will always send minimum 5% of the power to the front diff. Now that its been diverted - you have to ask yourself where that extra 5% is going - and whether that system was *designed* to take that extra stress.
Next...you then ask yourself what that 5% of power pushing against a resistance that has been completely eliminated now looks like...10%...15%?
I dont want to rain on the parade...but I've seen how extensive the 9ff 2WD conversion is. Granted the kit includes an LSD from the GT1 and other bits, but still it would be a shame to see parts of your gearbox, then engine dribbling down the road behing you...tick tick tick...
Bottom line, these care are too complex to simply take things out and expect everything will be fine. The AWD system will always send minimum 5% of the power to the front diff. Now that its been diverted - you have to ask yourself where that extra 5% is going - and whether that system was *designed* to take that extra stress.
Next...you then ask yourself what that 5% of power pushing against a resistance that has been completely eliminated now looks like...10%...15%?
I dont want to rain on the parade...but I've seen how extensive the 9ff 2WD conversion is. Granted the kit includes an LSD from the GT1 and other bits, but still it would be a shame to see parts of your gearbox, then engine dribbling down the road behing you...tick tick tick...
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Originally Posted by SDboosted
Its great that you can do this conversion so cheaply. However, the problem with the diff heating up and seizing is a REAL one - especially with higher HP cars. The 9ff 2WD conversion entails several important (for longevity reasons) enhancements. First and foremost is the oil cooler for the diff. Additionally, your 1 and 2 gears need strengthening. Not sure about X50 cars, as those are rumored to be strengthened.
Bottom line, these care are too complex to simply take things out and expect everything will be fine. The AWD system will always send minimum 5% of the power to the front diff. Now that its been diverted - you have to ask yourself where that extra 5% is going - and whether that system was *designed* to take that extra stress.
Next...you then ask yourself what that 5% of power pushing against a resistance that has been completely eliminated now looks like...10%...15%?
I dont want to rain on the parade...but I've seen how extensive the 9ff 2WD conversion is. Granted the kit includes an LSD from the GT1 and other bits, but still it would be a shame to see parts of your gearbox, then engine dribbling down the road behing you...tick tick tick...
Bottom line, these care are too complex to simply take things out and expect everything will be fine. The AWD system will always send minimum 5% of the power to the front diff. Now that its been diverted - you have to ask yourself where that extra 5% is going - and whether that system was *designed* to take that extra stress.
Next...you then ask yourself what that 5% of power pushing against a resistance that has been completely eliminated now looks like...10%...15%?
I dont want to rain on the parade...but I've seen how extensive the 9ff 2WD conversion is. Granted the kit includes an LSD from the GT1 and other bits, but still it would be a shame to see parts of your gearbox, then engine dribbling down the road behing you...tick tick tick...
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Originally Posted by USCTrojanMan29
I'm no mechanical engineer, but I will have to take issue with your input in bold. I think that the biggest part that gets effected by taking out the front drive shaft, front diff, and front axels is the geometery of the suspension as it wasn't dialed in for having 100+ lbs off the front. How can the AWD system send 5% down to the front when the front isnt there? You have eliminated a lot of rotational mass that makes the tranny work not as hard. That extra power that you refer to doesnt go anywhere because you've elminated the end location of that power. Again, I'm not saying that the conversion wont slightly negatively effect the car in certain ways but not the doomsday things you refer to. I'm not driving a 900HP race car where everything has to be dialed in perfectly. And it would also seem that you may have an incentive to overly worry people to sell your conversion kit which I think is very very expensive.
the conversion kit includes much more than just the conversion...a significant part of the cost is the GT1's LSD, then there's the transmission upgrade etc...
I hope all is well with your conversion. I'm not trying to sell you a bridge but rather, I'm just recounting a conversation I had with some engineers regarding this exact topic when we were doing our product training. If you're gonna burn your candle brighter...better make sure you get more wax.
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None of you guys that are doing this rear wheel drive conversion have any sense. The people at Porsche are smarter than all of you put together. If it was designed to be an RWD car, Porsche would of made it that way. If you want a rear wheel drive turbo, get a raise and buy a GT2. Silly rabbits, tricks are for kids.
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Originally Posted by Gemballa GTR
None of you guys that are doing this rear wheel drive conversion have any sense. The people at Porsche are smarter than all of you put together. If it was designed to be an RWD car, Porsche would of made it that way. If you want a rear wheel drive turbo, get a raise and buy a GT2. Silly rabbits, tricks are for kids.
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Originally Posted by SDboosted
Its great that you can do this conversion so cheaply. However, the problem with the diff heating up and seizing is a REAL one - especially with higher HP cars. The 9ff 2WD conversion entails several important (for longevity reasons) enhancements. First and foremost is the oil cooler for the diff. Additionally, your 1 and 2 gears need strengthening. Not sure about X50 cars, as those are rumored to be strengthened.
Bottom line, these care are too complex to simply take things out and expect everything will be fine. The AWD system will always send minimum 5% of the power to the front diff. Now that its been diverted - you have to ask yourself where that extra 5% is going - and whether that system was *designed* to take that extra stress.
Next...you then ask yourself what that 5% of power pushing against a resistance that has been completely eliminated now looks like...10%...15%?
I dont want to rain on the parade...but I've seen how extensive the 9ff 2WD conversion is. Granted the kit includes an LSD from the GT1 and other bits, but still it would be a shame to see parts of your gearbox, then engine dribbling down the road behing you...tick tick tick...
Bottom line, these care are too complex to simply take things out and expect everything will be fine. The AWD system will always send minimum 5% of the power to the front diff. Now that its been diverted - you have to ask yourself where that extra 5% is going - and whether that system was *designed* to take that extra stress.
Next...you then ask yourself what that 5% of power pushing against a resistance that has been completely eliminated now looks like...10%...15%?
I dont want to rain on the parade...but I've seen how extensive the 9ff 2WD conversion is. Granted the kit includes an LSD from the GT1 and other bits, but still it would be a shame to see parts of your gearbox, then engine dribbling down the road behing you...tick tick tick...
To answer your question, the 5% torque goes to the rear wheels.
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