I believe Mr.. Anthony chose not to participate in the last one.

 

aracerx just might be supreme Porsche expert in all of Star Fleet Command, but his communication style seems… ?como usted dice… “unconventional”?

I don’t see any censorship in this thread. Rather, it seems, many would like insight to his world and that of his “unprecedented peer group of tuners”.

I went back and read a number of Mark’s posts, and a few of the “articles” posted at his site. His affected writing style is fairly consistent and it seems that for his purposes the “shootout” proves nothing. However, the purpose has been clear for many months. The article stated its purpose, and was written to sell magazines. I imagine many that participated did so mostly for fun, and perhaps a few “bragging rights” - personally, I find nothing wrong with either of those.

Perhaps Mark did not really need to clarify in his second post that his intent is to express his disrespect for the shootout. Apparently a few people “got it” pretty much right away.

 

How much of a time difference would there be if some of those cars would run 18's instead of 19's?

 

It seems to me that aracerx is just a player hater....

If Cargraphic can make it down from the East Coast, this so-called guru could have gotten his *** in gear and showed up.

But he didn't, and now all he can do is talk **** even though he didn't even show up.

How can someone judge mods or cars that he hasn't even seen?

Anyway, the Shootout is old news. We all know the results and the same discussions seem to emerge all the time....

 

If I can make it from the Ghetto...

 

sharkster,

I believe Doug had it right when he stated,

" I imagine many that participated did so mostly for fun, and perhaps a few “bragging rights.”

Anyone who wanted to participate was welcome. All the cars were special in their own way. I don't know of any car that has won all the contests all the time. You can criticize the format all you want, however it was a level playing field for all participants and the results were the results for that particular group on that particular day. I really enjoyed reading the article and it provided some new ideas for me. It is not like this shootout was the end of the world. Yes, it did provide alot of attention for the winners and the participants alike. Maybe this is where the real problem lies.

My opinion is someone has a very high opinion of his car's and now feels threatened. Some how this doesn't dove tail with statements like "When we get serious and our reputation is on the line, we're always ready to compete one on one or in world class competition" and

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As I said yesterday...We're IN. Cary's points were in sync with my original thoughts about this type of "confrontation". Do you guys know what YOUR car will go through....I do and it won't be a pretty site. My guy doesn't care as long as his car comes out on top! HIGH STAKES POKER....right here on 6speed! SADLY, whomever comes out with a better "hand" will be subjected to other players crying foul. That's a guarantee....havingfunblowingupturbostakechances-Mark@F.M
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I'm In, as soon as we get logistics and my "guy" is available. Since he's a Pro Driver in various motorsports activities...it becomes the where and when, as I'm sure the rest of the busier tuners have the same conditions. M
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There seems to be two criteria according to Mark, "being serious" and "reputation on the line." Judging from the tone of his post, his reputation seems to be on the line. My only other conclusion is, he was never serious.

 

Ok so I was a little off base with my reply. I did enjoy the article about the shootout for a few dif reasons. One being that it was nice to read about cars I was somewhat familliar with, and two...it was about cars that were not of the norm. What I was trying to state with aracerx was that I thought he had a few good points and I would have liked to have heard more of what he had to say. No I didnt like the way he made a point to put down others cars. Everyone is in titled to do with their babies as they wish. "hell I am thinking about wedging a flatsix into a 356 coupe" and I am sure I will get a lot of nay sayers about that one. Bottom line with my reply was that I have had a feeling that "some" of the monster mods were unhealthy for the longevity of these engines, and if aracerx had something positive to add in way of knowledge...I would like to hear it.

If I offended anyone I appologise. There are many amazingly beautiful cars on this board. "only the Porsches mind you"

 

flatsixnut,

"if aracerx had something positive to add in way of knowledge...I would like to hear it."

I have no doubt Mark could bring alot to the table and I would hope he doesn't just go away. Constructive criticism is healthy. I do not believe and neither do others that Mark was offering constructive criticism. Everyone makes mistakes.

 

Brakes.
Can someone explain to me how/why the Protomotive car did so well in braking with stock brakes, compared to others with modified brakes?
Not looking for an argument, just knowledge.

Mike

 

The stock brakes are plenty adequate for the car ... "upgraded" brakes won't make the car stop any faster in this kind of test. The only place where bigger rotors, etc. will help is if you have to brake hard repeatedly in short periods of time, such as on a track. If you don't track, stick to upgrading brake lines to SS and some good fluid.

 

Ceramic brakes are not good for track use? Surely this is not true...

("Airplane" - 'and stop calling me Shirley')

 

I understand Porsche will not honor the PCCB brake warranty if the car is tracked. There seems to be problems with some people who have used them on the track.

 

MIK911,

The article does not go into enough depth to answer your question. Gross weight of car, size of brakes, brake pads, any additional cooling for brakes, type of calipers, suspension settings (to control weight transfer) and size/type of tires would help explain.

 

cjv, limitup,
ah.......i get it now.

thanks
mike

 

Mark quotes:

“Funny, they are always true to their feathers! AND very angry when someone (anyone) dares voice an opinion contrary to the way winds blowI think they were just trying to point that out”

IMHO I have to say you missed the “Mark” on that one.

If nothing else this is another case of Chad doing his homework before he speaks --- no “dis” to you Mark but, you do have to admit this is another example of Chad being his “thorough” self. While I know first hand not everyone is as diplomatic as Chad on this board and when you make a blatant oversight … ya ain’t git’n away with it here. Not to beat a dead horse but, saying the cab was “almost” stock … That cab was anything but stock. Granted it was all bolt on but, I drove that thing about 3 days before Dyno day and was seeing about 1.2 or 1.3 bar on the gauge in the car … So, if that cab was “almost” stock then most of the other cars there were “almost stock.” Nevertheless … a very cool car.

As far as the PCCB brakes, there is no doubt they have their problems when seeing too much heat (I don’t know the number off hand, sorry.) Once they hit the point of “no return” they go way rather quickly where the big old iron rotors are little more predicable and forgiving when they start to die. With that in mind, if you’re not doing repeated extreme braking, you’ll never reach the point of fade and it just becomes a standard weigh and friction equation. Add the fact that all the cars were equipped with ABS and power boosters its pretty much close your eyes and throw out the anchor. At that point limiting factors will be vehicle weight (I don’t’ believe they weighed any of the cars), tires and the shock valving, spring rates and alignment. Now, if somebody figures this all out on those cars and I’m wrong … … keep it to yourself … .