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Old Feb 18, 2004 | 10:49 AM
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Expected dissappointment in SHOOTOUT

After browsing the article in European Magazine, in can understand a certain amount of mixed results. My personal observation seems to point to very unscientific results in categories scored. The best part was the (almost) stock Turbo Cab performing well, as I would expect. The ceramic brakes prove to do well in "street" applications; much to the opposite in track use. With all the performance modifications available, most are really a waste on a nice road going turbo, and no one wants someone else's ***** on resale. havefuntakechancedriveporsche-Mark
 
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Actually By-design sold the TT cab after the shootout for quite a nice profit
 
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"Mixed results"... ? Unscientific"..? Dyno runs on same Dyno, same settings, same day. Same track, same driver, same day, same comparison parameters.

"Almost stock" cab??? Exhaust, custom chip, custom intercooler cooling, tuned, ported / polished / ceramic coated headers, adjustable coil-overs, adjustable sway bars, ceramic brakes, aero package, K24 turbos... Frankly does not seem much closer to "stock" than most cars in the shootout.

If you get a chance to read the article, it may be a bit less dissapointing.
 
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You must have flunked READING. Where you out sick the first 12 years?
 
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"Mark is a graduate of N.Y.U. in Mechanical Engineering in addition to a degree in Bachelor of Science at St. Francis College. Mark has been employed by Porsche AG of Germany and USA for 11 years and has won over 100 races and awards. Mark has held the position of President of Porsche Club of America, twice, and is active in club events! Employees of FM are chosen not only for their skills, but for their dedication and reliability."


"Mark is a recognized writer and contributes to a variety of periodicals. Here are a sample of his monthly automotive journals. He documents his experiences with Porsche since 1966"

My first thought upon reading Mark's thread, complete with mispellings, was he must not be playing with a full deck. Out of curiousity, I clicked on to his profile and then his homepage. The above quotes are from the homepage. Obviously, Mark has some credentials. Mark, could you expand further on your quote as I am interested in backup as to your position. Or simply why you feel the way you do.

"My personal observation seems to point to very unscientific results in categories scored. The best part was the (almost) stock Turbo Cab performing well, as I would expect. The ceramic brakes prove to do well in "street" applications; much to the opposite in track use. With all the performance modifications available, most are really a waste on a nice road going turbo, and no one wants someone else's ***** on resale."
 

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Funny chad I just saw in his profile it is Mark from formula as well

Everyone is entitled to their own opinion I guess Mark I suggest you prep a 996 TT and get yourself ready for the next shootout.

I still can't get over this quote from you though :
"With all the performance modifications available, most are really a waste on a nice road going turbo, and no one wants someone else's ***** on resale"

Considering your shop does tuning as well I dont think a statement like that is good for your business!
 
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Aahh, back at you spell mavens!
there was to be a - between the diss and appointment, as in "dissed". Interestingly, spell vultures abound, seemingly unable to "get it", before their failed attempt of mockery. Funny, they are always true to their feathers! AND very angry when someone (anyone) dares voice an opinion contrary to the way winds blow. Speaking of blow.....GET THIS...BOOSTBOOSTBOOST, is the order of nature in these machines, it is primordial in the nature of this beast. An inherent industry wide incapacity in CONTROLLING it, and it's potential internal engine putrification is what *****'s out the machine....broken rings, damaged pistons and combustion chambers. BTW-I do disassemble water cooled turbo engines, so I KNOW!
There IS a difference in the "delicate" application of performance tuning that allows awesome enjoyement AND THEN, finding a buyer who will be a "happy camper" after the purchase!
Argumentation over resale capability cannot be sustained in a market that is driven by "originality". But hey, if your that one dude that simply kisses off the buck twenty....cool, I've no intention to rain on your parade. HOWEVER, within my wisdom, as well as others in a unprecedented peer group of tuners, reason that many "bolt on" alterations, simply do NOT make a turbo go.
Understand that I see way too many screwed up machines AFTER mistakes have been created through the purulent nature of this business, of which I am on top of! I remain unchallenged, yet incapable of "sitting" on the net all day extolling my virtues; too many TURBOS needing my attention down on my shop floor, resigned to "tasteful" tuning and collision corrections. THANKS to my guys out there who came to my "defence"! hah hah .
 
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Ok, We could possibly have ANOTHER hammerhead contender here. Lets see how the 2004 elections proceed.
 
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Mark doesn't deserve the "Hammerhead" award, his employer does for hiring him.
 
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Originally posted by aracerx
Aahh, back at you spell mavens!
there was to be a - between the diss and appointment, as in "dissed". Interestingly, spell vultures abound, seemingly unable to "get it", before their failed attempt of mockery. Funny, they are always true to their feathers! AND very angry when someone (anyone) dares voice an opinion contrary to the way winds blow. Speaking of blow.....GET THIS...BOOSTBOOSTBOOST, is the order of nature in these machines, it is primordial in the nature of this beast. An inherent industry wide incapacity in CONTROLLING it, and it's potential internal engine putrification is what *****'s out the machine....broken rings, damaged pistons and combustion chambers. BTW-I do disassemble water cooled turbo engines, so I KNOW!
There IS a difference in the "delicate" application of performance tuning that allows awesome enjoyement AND THEN, finding a buyer who will be a "happy camper" after the purchase!
Argumentation over resale capability cannot be sustained in a market that is driven by "originality". But hey, if your that one dude that simply kisses off the buck twenty....cool, I've no intention to rain on your parade. HOWEVER, within my wisdom, as well as others in a unprecedented peer group of tuners, reason that many "bolt on" alterations, simply do NOT make a turbo go.
Understand that I see way too many screwed up machines AFTER mistakes have been created through the purulent nature of this business, of which I am on top of! I remain unchallenged, yet incapable of "sitting" on the net all day extolling my virtues; too many TURBOS needing my attention down on my shop floor, resigned to "tasteful" tuning and collision corrections. THANKS to my guys out there who came to my "defence"! hah hah .

now I understand...
 
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The turbo cab was nowhere near stock.
 
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the shootout wasn't about reliability. it was about finding the BIG DOG.
 
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Am I missing something? Did this guy **** someone off in the past?

Sounds to me that aracerx knows what he is talking about. Although many Porsche's throughout the years have been built and blown up over and over again, so if someone wants to spend the money on a already modded used TT then more power to them. I can bet that when it came down to it...most of you would not buy an already modded TT. I cant speak from experience on turbos "I prefer non-turbo's" , but it sounds to me like aracerx has some knowledge on the subject.......so why not listen to what he has to say without jumping down his pipe!?! I for one have not heard word one that would make me feel at ease about how realiable in the long run these bolt on mods of power will be. Its scary to think of the internal damage that "must" be going on.

My advice to those on this board would be to let those with other opinions speak there mind and knowledge....maybe learn something.....an form your own opinions without trying to belittle someone else because thier opinion is dif than yours. I would like to hear more from aracerx.
 
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flatsixnut,

I believe I stated, "Obviously, Mark has some credentials. Mark, could you expand further on your quote as I am interested in backup as to your position. Or simply why you feel the way you do."

Mark stated,

1) "My personal observation seems to point to very unscientific results in categories scored."

2) "The ceramic brakes prove to do well in "street" applications; much to the opposite in track use."

3) "With all the performance modifications available, most are really a waste on a nice road going turbo"

4) "no one wants someone else's ***** on resale."

Now flatsixnut you state, "Sounds to me that aracerx knows what he is talking about." I asked Mark to clarify. I am still waiting. By the way, what in the above quotes leads you to believe that Mark knows what he is talking about? Or are you confusing my revealing of his self written credentials as proof? I must apologize, as up until this thread, I have never heard of Mark or Formula One Motorsports. Be it as it may, I am seriously interested in Mark explaining his above statements.

flatsixnut, you stated. "Did this guy **** someone off in the past? " In my opinion, if you delete your words "in the past" and add a period after the word someone, you might have a more accurate statement. Words like unscientific, waste and someone else's ***** are so complementry. Especially when served with flipped one liners.

When you stated, "Am I missing something?" Well, in my opinion, yes. I would expect much better people skills from a past PCA president.

By the way Mark, under the "Success in Racing" section of your homepage it is stated, "When we get serious and our reputation is on the line, we're always ready to compete one on one or in world class competition" to which Darren stated,"Mark I suggest you prep a 996 TT and get yourself ready for the next shootout."
Sounds like someone's reputation is on the line. It appears Darren extended you an official invite to the next shootout.
 

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