Tuning my 996tt
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Originally Posted by MARKSKI
Craig and Mike.... no reason to argue.
My view on this is that anyone that presents a working approach to self tuning( by a qualified programmer for the sake of argument) has my respect. I do believe that when all this tuning business started tuners were buying third party ecus programs... even the German companies... then reselling them down the food chain.
So it is no surprise that Giac was amongst the first and what seems to be best encrypted ECU up to date. ( don't ask me how I know). They wanted to protect their interests... and I don't blame them.... at $3K a pop it was a lot of money. Heck, I had 3 tuners in my ecu and this is my final 4th.
As far as secrecy goes... well Everything from the Diode( no harm intended ) to the type of compressor wheels in certain turbo kits... in essence it was
hush hush. Only after I sent my K24 race turbos to Kevin that I found out that my K24s were Stock. Yet they were marketed as RACE Turbo chargers( and priced accordingly).
I'm sure I can come up with a few more examples... the point is that meanwhile the 996tt platform came to existence... tuners, in my opinion, kept certain info away from us... I believe one reason was a financial incentive. The less we knew the better for them. We ALL now know the type of turbos are in every turbo kit... it's no secret.
With that said, I don't have anything against any tuner because if I was them I would probably do the same...
Good luck to any one that is attempting to open the motronic code to the end user like me.
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My view on this is that anyone that presents a working approach to self tuning( by a qualified programmer for the sake of argument) has my respect. I do believe that when all this tuning business started tuners were buying third party ecus programs... even the German companies... then reselling them down the food chain.
So it is no surprise that Giac was amongst the first and what seems to be best encrypted ECU up to date. ( don't ask me how I know). They wanted to protect their interests... and I don't blame them.... at $3K a pop it was a lot of money. Heck, I had 3 tuners in my ecu and this is my final 4th.
As far as secrecy goes... well Everything from the Diode( no harm intended ) to the type of compressor wheels in certain turbo kits... in essence it was
hush hush. Only after I sent my K24 race turbos to Kevin that I found out that my K24s were Stock. Yet they were marketed as RACE Turbo chargers( and priced accordingly).
I'm sure I can come up with a few more examples... the point is that meanwhile the 996tt platform came to existence... tuners, in my opinion, kept certain info away from us... I believe one reason was a financial incentive. The less we knew the better for them. We ALL now know the type of turbos are in every turbo kit... it's no secret.
With that said, I don't have anything against any tuner because if I was them I would probably do the same...
Good luck to any one that is attempting to open the motronic code to the end user like me.
markski
For those who seek to tune their cars on their own, it would be great if they had such an option. I personally have no such interest, but others more technically proficient than I (most people) may be so inclined. If Shiv can develop a product that enables these people to self-tune their 996TTs, and it works well, hats off to them.
I was profoundly disturbed by your obscure reference to a company selling you a “racing turbo” that was, in reality, nothing more than a stock K24. I think I know which company you are referring to, and my prior dealings with this company were equally lacking in integrity. I urge you to disclose the culprit so that future customers can beware.
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Originally Posted by Byronmaui
I think all who posted on this thread want to see you succeed because in the end all of TT owners will benefit if your product and your expectations are met. Please keep updating this thread.
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Originally Posted by deputydog95
Do you talk like this in real life or do you use a really good thesaurus when posting? It makes me appeplectic trying to elucidate your oratory. 
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Originally Posted by PorschePhd
LOL, that is the reason I would never allow customers to have the files. There are certain elements that have to be in place to work with the system. You can have the program to work it, there are several. But that will not help you in any way. You need more files, and another program. Then you need the watered down version because the file is so complex you would never be able to tune all the paramters. DO not forget the initial program was written by a computer.
These programs do not have a single map or two. Not only that they are interrelated across the board. It is very complicated. So in the end, most tuners will have an issue to DO ALL the things that should be done when tuning these cars.
I spend my day tuning standalone and have since the mid 90s. My choice is a decision not an inability to tune nor the lack of ability to acquire proper programs. I have been tuning longer than some have been driving on these forums. FWIW I do not give my standalone customers access either. I do not need the headache of someone that has a 1/16 of my tuning experience tuning their own car. I did that ONCE. That is all it took
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Originally Posted by cjv
It's going to be real interesting to see if the piggy back units have changed. We origionally used TRG's Unichip (actually two of them together) and they had a limitation as to derived hp together with some other issues. I understand TRG later sold whatever rights they had to the Unichip. We removed the Unichip years ago and went wth Protomotive.
So whoever are the first members to try this out, please let us know the results after you have put a few thousand miles on with the unit.
Hopefully another step towards progress is on the way.
If t is truly good progress with satisfied owners word will get out and it will be a success. If it is not word will get out and it will fail. Not a thing wrong with trying as long as you go in knowing it is new.
So whoever are the first members to try this out, please let us know the results after you have put a few thousand miles on with the unit.
Hopefully another step towards progress is on the way.
If t is truly good progress with satisfied owners word will get out and it will be a success. If it is not word will get out and it will fail. Not a thing wrong with trying as long as you go in knowing it is new.Craig
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Originally Posted by ace996
Yet you still continue with the same insinuations and self-serving paraphrasing...injecting your own directional conclusions and disrespectful undertones and insults. You've more to make amends for the "Savior" and "Prophet" and "Johnny" references....
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Shiv (or Johnny if you would prefer):
This is the second time that you have enigmatically referenced an undisclosed phantom menace that is purportedly seeking to impede your ascent to the Porsche tuning throne. Please reveal the identity of this depraved and repugnant individual/company, and describe the villainous conduct you cryptically refer to as “questionable means [designed] to diffuse [your] entry into this market.” ]
Shiv never said he was the one who was looking to release the "open-end" ECU interface....you just conveniently insert words into other's posts - but at least you use the " [" and "]" to illustrate {[your]} point. You must really have it in for Shiv, huh?
And then you post the above... unbelieveable... what happened?...someone force you to take a quick glance in the mirror?
Let the anger go, brother, you'll be so much more at peace. Don't be afraid, change is good, it benefits everyone.
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Shiv (or Johnny if you would prefer):
This is the second time that you have enigmatically referenced an undisclosed phantom menace that is purportedly seeking to impede your ascent to the Porsche tuning throne. Please reveal the identity of this depraved and repugnant individual/company, and describe the villainous conduct you cryptically refer to as “questionable means [designed] to diffuse [your] entry into this market.” ]
Shiv never said he was the one who was looking to release the "open-end" ECU interface....you just conveniently insert words into other's posts - but at least you use the " [" and "]" to illustrate {[your]} point. You must really have it in for Shiv, huh?
And then you post the above... unbelieveable... what happened?...someone force you to take a quick glance in the mirror?
Let the anger go, brother, you'll be so much more at peace. Don't be afraid, change is good, it benefits everyone.
First and foremost, welcome to 6Speed.
Although it is not entirely clear to me, you appear to be suggesting that my conciliatory comments directed to Zippy/Mike are somehow disingenuous given my lack of similar comments directed to Shiv, or at the very least, I am being inconsistent. While my tone may vary, my comments to both were most certainly genuine. Moreover, your quotes from my prior posts conveniently exclude my long paragraph to Shiv expressing my sincere hope that he succeeds in his noble pursuit. Notwithstanding my skepticism regarding certain issues raised in this thread, including certain comments from Shiv, I have repeatedly wished Shiv well.
Mike and I have been communicating on this forum and sharing information for several years. We have some history together. In contrast, I have no prior dealings with Shiv. Therefore, it is to be expected that I would deal with each slightly differently. Moreover, whereas Mike expressed some personal displeasure with our exchange in this thread, Shiv did not express a similar displeasure. To the contrary, Shiv’s posts suggest that he enjoys our discourse in its current form. He appears to be almost encouraging it.
Shiv has accused some undisclosed person or company of engaging in some undisclosed conduct for the purpose of impairing his 996TT tuning efforts. I personally am very interested in learning who the offending person/company is, and what specific conduct they engaged in. If it is genuinely wrongful, as Shiv has implied, I may join him in condemning the perpetrators. I have asked Shiv on two separate occasions to disclose this information. He has twice ignored my requests. Consequently, I personally am a bit suspect. I’m sure Shiv could care less about my trivial suspicions, and rightfully so.
Part of the acrimony in this thread has not been caused by Shiv, but rather, by certain of his supporters, who have subtly and implicitly anointed Shiv the savior of the 996TT Porsche tuning world (e.g., “Finally a real tuner” and “Its good to see that the closed-door/blackmagic/privateclub of tuning TTs era is soon to be over”). I don’t think Shiv ever intended to present himself as a savior. However, when he declared that he would be making certain revelations that would profoundly upset the existing establishment (“There is a lot of demystifying that's going to happen in the next couple of months in the Porsche tuning world. And certain people are not happy about that.”), and he subsequently asserted that one or more persons were trying to impair his efforts, he exacerbated the impression initially introduced by others, and the “savior” analogy suddenly took on greater applicability.
I personally do not think the 996TT tuning world needs a savior. Likewise, I do not think Shiv perceives himself as some sort of savior (at least I hope not). Rather, it appears to me that Shiv has successfully implemented a certain tuning methodology on other cars, and he seeks to apply similar methods and technology to the 996TT. Fine by me. Regardless of whether I would be interested in such a product, I hope he succeeds; not because the 996TT world needs his new product, but because new and innovative products, and the corresponding choices and competition, are good for everyone.
Ace, your prior posts demonstrate a knowledge of tuning that far exceeds mine. When you were stating the facts about W/I, I read with interest, and did not comment. However, you have now lashed out at me twice, even though I have never previously written anything directed at you. I ignored you the first time. Now I am compelled to respond. Please refrain from further derogatory comments directed at me. Stick to the facts and I will have an opportunity to learn from your superior knowledge base.
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Craig, I see that you are a proponent of the e-filibuster. In this, few will ever attempt to compete with you.
If you want to know what vendor has been trying to add noise to the original signal of this thread, just ask Red C5. I don't recall hearing from him since he was called out on this a few pages ago. Perhaps you should target your suspicion elsewhere. It is not my place to do anything to further escalate this silly conflict. I want none of it. In the end, it is product and service that speaks the loudest. Until then, all we are going is exercising our fingers.
If you want to know what vendor has been trying to add noise to the original signal of this thread, just ask Red C5. I don't recall hearing from him since he was called out on this a few pages ago. Perhaps you should target your suspicion elsewhere. It is not my place to do anything to further escalate this silly conflict. I want none of it. In the end, it is product and service that speaks the loudest. Until then, all we are going is exercising our fingers.
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There's much to address here, so I'll try my best to keep it short and sweet...my replies will be in RED...
Originally Posted by Craig
Ace,
First and foremost, welcome to 6Speed.
Craig, Thanks so much, I really appreciate that.
Although it is not entirely clear to me, you appear to be suggesting that my conciliatory comments directed to Zippy/Mike are somehow disingenuous given my lack of similar comments directed to Shiv, or at the very least, I am being inconsistent.-Now, Craig, I'm not suggesting that at all. I thought it was nice. While my tone may vary, my comments to both were most certainly genuine. Moreover, your quotes from my prior posts conveniently exclude my long paragraph to Shiv expressing my sincere hope that he succeeds in his noble pursuit.- It was the name calling and disrespectful comments I needed to address. Notwithstanding my skepticism regarding certain issues raised in this thread, including certain comments from Shiv, I have repeatedly wished Shiv well.-We all do, Craig, we all do.
Mike and I have been communicating on this forum and sharing information for several years. We have some history together. In contrast, I have no prior dealings with Shiv. Therefore, it is to be expected that I would deal with each slightly differently. Moreover, whereas Mike expressed some personal displeasure with our exchange in this thread, Shiv did not express a similar displeasure. To the contrary, Shiv’s posts suggest that he enjoys our discourse in its current form. He appears to be almost encouraging it. - Knowing Shiv from several other platforms, this is nothing new for him...but, do you really believe that? Surely you jest...but perhaps I'm wrong...
Part of the acrimony in this thread has not been caused by Shiv, but rather, by certain of his supporters, who have subtly and implicitly anointed Shiv the savior -that must be me... You quote me just a few lines below, and I'm flattered, but please don't accuse me of being subtle...that is one such quality I cannot stand...shoot straight or don't pull the gun...of the 996TT Porsche tuning world (e.g., “Finally a real tuner” and “Its good to see that the closed-door/blackmagic/privateclub of tuning TTs era is soon to be over”). I don’t think Shiv ever intended to present himself as a saviorHowever, when he declared that he would be making certain revelations that would profoundly upset the existing establishment (“There is a lot of demystifying that's going to happen in the next couple of months in the Porsche tuning world. And certain people are not happy about that.”), and he subsequently asserted that one or more persons were trying to impair his efforts, he exacerbated the impression initially introduced by others, and the “savior” analogy suddenly took on greater applicability.
I personally do not think the 996TT tuning world needs a savior.-We all do, Craig, we all do... even the Italians, too...
Likewise, I do not think Shiv perceives himself as some sort of savior (at least I hope not). Rather, it appears to me that Shiv has successfully implemented a certain tuning methodology on other cars, and he seeks to apply similar methods and technology to the 996TT. Fine by me. Regardless of whether I would be interested in such a product, I hope he succeeds; not because the 996TT world needs his new product, but because new and innovative products, and the corresponding choices and competition, are good for everyone.-Amen, brother, we'll sing it from the mountain tops!!!!
Ace, your prior posts demonstrate a knowledge of tuning that far exceeds mine. When you were stating the facts about W/I, I read with interest, and did not comment. However, you have now lashed out at me twice-lashed, not a chance, lashing is with malice and I wish you no malice even though I have never previously written anything directed at you. I ignored you the first time. Now I am compelled to respond. Please refrain from further derogatory comments directed at me.-deragatory? surely you jest... Stick to the facts and I will have an opportunity to learn from your superior knowledge base. - Do the same and perhaps you will.
Best Regards,
TomK
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Craig
First and foremost, welcome to 6Speed.
Craig, Thanks so much, I really appreciate that.
Although it is not entirely clear to me, you appear to be suggesting that my conciliatory comments directed to Zippy/Mike are somehow disingenuous given my lack of similar comments directed to Shiv, or at the very least, I am being inconsistent.-Now, Craig, I'm not suggesting that at all. I thought it was nice. While my tone may vary, my comments to both were most certainly genuine. Moreover, your quotes from my prior posts conveniently exclude my long paragraph to Shiv expressing my sincere hope that he succeeds in his noble pursuit.- It was the name calling and disrespectful comments I needed to address. Notwithstanding my skepticism regarding certain issues raised in this thread, including certain comments from Shiv, I have repeatedly wished Shiv well.-We all do, Craig, we all do.
Mike and I have been communicating on this forum and sharing information for several years. We have some history together. In contrast, I have no prior dealings with Shiv. Therefore, it is to be expected that I would deal with each slightly differently. Moreover, whereas Mike expressed some personal displeasure with our exchange in this thread, Shiv did not express a similar displeasure. To the contrary, Shiv’s posts suggest that he enjoys our discourse in its current form. He appears to be almost encouraging it. - Knowing Shiv from several other platforms, this is nothing new for him...but, do you really believe that? Surely you jest...but perhaps I'm wrong...
Part of the acrimony in this thread has not been caused by Shiv, but rather, by certain of his supporters, who have subtly and implicitly anointed Shiv the savior -that must be me... You quote me just a few lines below, and I'm flattered, but please don't accuse me of being subtle...that is one such quality I cannot stand...shoot straight or don't pull the gun...of the 996TT Porsche tuning world (e.g., “Finally a real tuner” and “Its good to see that the closed-door/blackmagic/privateclub of tuning TTs era is soon to be over”). I don’t think Shiv ever intended to present himself as a saviorHowever, when he declared that he would be making certain revelations that would profoundly upset the existing establishment (“There is a lot of demystifying that's going to happen in the next couple of months in the Porsche tuning world. And certain people are not happy about that.”), and he subsequently asserted that one or more persons were trying to impair his efforts, he exacerbated the impression initially introduced by others, and the “savior” analogy suddenly took on greater applicability.
I personally do not think the 996TT tuning world needs a savior.-We all do, Craig, we all do... even the Italians, too...
Likewise, I do not think Shiv perceives himself as some sort of savior (at least I hope not). Rather, it appears to me that Shiv has successfully implemented a certain tuning methodology on other cars, and he seeks to apply similar methods and technology to the 996TT. Fine by me. Regardless of whether I would be interested in such a product, I hope he succeeds; not because the 996TT world needs his new product, but because new and innovative products, and the corresponding choices and competition, are good for everyone.-Amen, brother, we'll sing it from the mountain tops!!!!Ace, your prior posts demonstrate a knowledge of tuning that far exceeds mine. When you were stating the facts about W/I, I read with interest, and did not comment. However, you have now lashed out at me twice-lashed, not a chance, lashing is with malice and I wish you no malice even though I have never previously written anything directed at you. I ignored you the first time. Now I am compelled to respond. Please refrain from further derogatory comments directed at me.-deragatory? surely you jest... Stick to the facts and I will have an opportunity to learn from your superior knowledge base. - Do the same and perhaps you will.
Best Regards,
TomK
Regards,
Craig
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I have a buddy who's car wont stay out of limp mode any time he drives it hard, and he has the newest Vishnu update. It's a 335i.
Do you have any suggestions, he has to remove the darned thing everything everytime we go to the track.
Do you have any suggestions, he has to remove the darned thing everything everytime we go to the track.
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