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Old Apr 11, 2007 | 04:51 PM
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Shiv,

I hope you can make your product work on an 01 966TT. Very interested in your product.

I've heard lots of great things in the past about you in all the major auto/tuner magazines.
 
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Shiv,

I hope you can make your product work on an 01 966TT. Very interested in your product.

I've heard lots of great things in the past about you in all the major auto/tuner magazines.
Thanks for the kind words. Our PROcede is already working on my personal '01 996tt. Has been for a few thousand miles. Still in the process of finalizing a few mapping details. But we should start offering in-house installs and custom dyno tuning within the next couple of weeks. After we do a few cars and make sure they all perform as expected, we'll release the 2001 996tt kit for mailorder. The 02s and up are a little bit different in terms of ECU and sensors so that will take a few weeks longer. After we have all the 996tt applications developed, we'll begin work on a 997tt. We do tend to do things a bit different than others with respect to product release and development. We've never had a production recall in all the years of doing this. Doing it right the first time around is always our first priority. This means our time estimates are subject to change. But when it's released, it will work flawlessly and as advertised. Looking forward to working with you guys....
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We do tend to do things a bit different than others with respect to product release and development. We've never had a production recall in all the years of doing this. Doing it right the first time around is always our first priority. This means our time estimates are subject to change. But when it's released, it will work flawlessly and as advertised. Looking forward to working with you guys....
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Or your money back! I can see this has the potential of heading in the direction I've been accustomed to....
 
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...you used to entertain me with all the fights you would get into with many other respectable Evo and S4 tuners/shops...
Ditto here. I recall some intense threads in the turbocharged Miata forum, and that was about 10 years ago. Shiv brought a new perspective to the table and it was not always welcomed by everyone (primarily the pre-existing tuners and their loyal customers). There were some heated arguments about some of his opinions and ideas. Guess what happened...he moved on to other cars, and his ideas (the ones that were initially criticised) showed up in the competing tuners kits! I guess that is a compliment, right?
 
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Ditto here. I recall some intense threads in the turbocharged Miata forum, and that was about 10 years ago. Shiv brought a new perspective to the table and it was not always welcomed by everyone (primarily the pre-existing tuners and their loyal customers). There were some heated arguments about some of his opinions and ideas. Guess what happened...he moved on to other cars, and his ideas (the ones that were initially criticised) showed up in the competing tuners kits! I guess that is a compliment, right?
I don't know of anyone in the Evo or S4 world who copied his piggy back approach to tuning, but it wouldn't surprise me if some other models did ten years ago.

I think you can tell quite a bit about a tuner by the way he communicates online. Those interested in doing some homework on Shiv should cruise through some other forums....as long as his many posts have not been deleted.

Shiv, have you at least upgraded your shop address? Folks around here don't like taking their cars to Emission Check locations
 
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I don't recall ever offering parts or services for S4s. The S4 forum got their feelings hurt because we compared the dyno results of a claimed "450hp" S4 to a real "420hp" 911 turbo a few years back and posted up the results. And the results weren't pretty. Then we had to deal with the accusations of us manipulating our dyno, not having strong enough fans, etc,. so that the S4 (a car we never have, never wanted to and never will tune) looked like the loser. I hope those threads weren't deleted. They were funny as hell! If you can find them, PM me a link. Waitasec. You're an S4 owner. Amazing coincidence. Still, it would be nice if we can keep this thread on topic.

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I don't recall ever offering parts or services for S4s. The S4 forum got their feelings hurt because we compared the dyno results of a claimed "450hp" S4 to a real "420hp" 911 turbo a few years back and posted up the results. And the results weren't pretty. Then we had to deal with the accusations of us manipulating our dyno, not having strong enough fans, etc,. so that the S4 (a car we never have, never wanted to and never will tune) looked like the loser. I hope those threads weren't deleted. They were funny as hell! If you can find them, PM me a link. Waitasec. You're an S4 owner. Amazing coincidence. Still, it would be nice if we can keep this thread on topic.

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I never said you tuned S4's. But you're right, the early days of the stage 3 S4 tuning were all over the map. I'll try to find those threads, they were quite funny. But I don't plan on derailing your introduction thread, you'll eventually do that on your own But regardless, competition is healthy, and with that, I wish you luck in your new market!
 

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I think you can tell quite a bit about a tuner by the way he communicates online.
I don't think internet forums are a good way to tell anything about anyone. Some really nice people come across arrogant, some losers look like big shots, some trusted folks turn out to be thieves, and everybody gets misinterpreted more than once.

Getting way OT here. Let's see what Shiv can do, and see what we can learn along the way.
 
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I don't think internet forums are a good way to tell anything about anyone. Some really nice people come across arrogant, some losers look like big shots, some trusted folks turn out to be thieves, and everybody gets misinterpreted more than once.

Getting way OT here. Let's see what Shiv can do, and see what we can learn along the way.
I agree with your above examples if viewed over a short time frame....but the truth on tuners comes out over time when dealing with so many individuals and situations. It's not like Shiv is new to the tuning scene. Would you buy from Hennessey Doc?
 

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The ability for the enduser to tune has advantages not in the actual "owner" doing the tuning, but a local expert who actually "tunes" cars...not flashes like the norm in the TT world. When someone doubles their hp numbers from a "box" kit, and then flashes a "box" tune to their car...they are either playing with trouble or leaving power on the table.

My friend, Topgun, who is on the road to some pretty big power is going to be running a "box" tune...something that causes me concern as we will be roadcoursing the cars. He also isn't able to run meth/water injection due to the lack of "dyno/road" tuning available in our area. Without a doubt, should he have the ability to fine tune his map...he'll either find more power, which the TT owners seem to pay for quite dearly, or run much safer...knowing that his A/F, timing is where it absolutely should be, and not where a tuner on the other side of the country thinks it'll be...


I usually don't make many friends with this next statement, but those that KNOW undoubtedly agree....

Any tuner that says a box tune is equal or better than a "road/dyno" tune (done by a competent tuner...and there are many) is a liar and a hack. Given the opportunity, everyone should have a custom tune done on their cars, even stock ones.

Its good to see that the closed-door/blackmagic/privateclub of tuning TTs era is soon to be over. Now perhaps someone will market a meth/water injection kit and actually have an ability to properly tune for it...this is going to be a revolution for TTs. Imagine quicker spool, lower intake temps, cleaner valves/combustion chambers...and power that rivals race-gas tunes!!!

Yep, someone is going to make a mint....

Be good,
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The ability for the enduser to tune has advantages not in the actual "owner" doing the tuning, but a local expert who actually "tunes" cars...not flashes like the norm in the TT world. When someone doubles their hp numbers from a "box" kit, and then flashes a "box" tune to their car...they are either playing with trouble or leaving power on the table.

My friend, Topgun, who is on the road to some pretty big power is going to be running a "box" tune...something that causes me concern as we will be roadcoursing the cars. He also isn't able to run meth/water injection due to the lack of "dyno/road" tuning available in our area. Without a doubt, should he have the ability to fine tune his map...he'll either find more power, which the TT owners seem to pay for quite dearly, or run much safer...knowing that his A/F, timing is where it absolutely should be, and not where a tuner on the other side of the country thinks it'll be...


I usually don't make many friends with this next statement, but those that KNOW undoubtedly agree....

Any tuner that says a box tune is equal or better than a "road/dyno" tune (done by a competent tuner...and there are many) is a liar and a hack. Given the opportunity, everyone should have a custom tune done on their cars, even stock ones.

Its good to see that the closed-door/blackmagic/privateclub of tuning TTs era is soon to be over. Now perhaps someone will market a meth/water injection kit and actually have an ability to properly tune for it...this is going to be a revolution for TTs. Imagine quicker spool, lower intake temps, cleaner valves/combustion chambers...and power that rivals race-gas tunes!!!

Yep, someone is going to make a mint....

Be good,
TomK
Tom,

We experimented with water/meth and found the added weight and constantly adding mixture not worth the hassel.

We have no issue with almost instant spool or power. Our intake temps are very low, our exhaust temps are 500/600 degrees lower than a stock 996tt and our exhaust chambers run very clean. We can make alot of power at lower boost with 91 or make a ton of power with 100 or more.
 

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Originally Posted by cjv
Tom,

We experimented with water/meth and found the added weight and constantly adding mixture not worth the hassel.

We have no issue with almost instant spool or power. Our intake temps are very low, our exhaust temps are 500/600 degrees lower than a stock 996tt and our exhaust chambers run very clean. We can make alot of power at lower boost with 91 or make a ton of power with 100 or more.
CJV,
I have no doubt that youhave the ability to properly tune a TT without W/I. We've gone down this road before, and I have different opinions. There is no doubt that W/I, when properly tuned on a turbo motor, will make more power...and safer than if it wasn't employed. You state that you've "experimented" with it...which system? was it progressive? did you have control over spray? Pressure? Things have changed quite a bit in a few years. Perhaps you should look at Aquamist's new offerings, with the high-speed-valves...they act much like fuel-injectors and are much easier to control/tune. Surely your clients would appreciate another offering that would allow their engines to operate at safer levels with consistant performance from cooler intake temps?...and I don't mean on the street, I mean on the track...where heatsoak exists. We've seen 60-80degF drops from W/I over intercoolers alone!!!! It'd be nice to have the same power on a 110deg day as when it's 50degs...no???
The STIs, Evos, GNs, trucks, past F1 cars, EVERY WRC car for years, F/I Vettes, ect....all have shown phenomenal gains from W/I. The only reason why it hasn't shown to be a great addition to the P-car world is lack of experience with it.

If it's not your bag, fine...it's OK. But weight?...W/I too much weight??? Should someone be so serious to forego the 20-some-odd-lbs of a good W/I system, then I assume they don't have A/C or a radio on their car? Or front windshield wipers?...one can just use RainX. And then remove all carpet/insulation...ect. It doesn't weigh that much, which systems are you referring to ???

I'm waiting to see a tuner take a 996TT and properly run a W/I system on it. I've no doubt 5-10%...probably the higher side...increase in power and spool will be achieved, over what is possible without it. There is just so little actual experience with it here, I'm more than a little surprised...but then again only a few have actually had the ability to "tune" for it. That will soon change.



Shiv...you need to do some W/I testing!!!!

Perhaps then the voodo of it will be put to rest.

Be good,
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Shiv,

After talking to you about your plans you are no doubt going to take the Porsche world by storm. Guys, as far as ECU programming is concerned I have never spoken to a more knowledgable tuner than Shiv.

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Originally Posted by ace996
CJV,
I have no doubt that youhave the ability to properly tune a TT without W/I. We've gone down this road before, and I have different opinions. There is no doubt that W/I, when properly tuned on a turbo motor, will make more power...and safer than if it wasn't employed. You state that you've "experimented" with it...which system? was it progressive? did you have control over spray? Pressure? Things have changed quite a bit in a few years. Perhaps you should look at Aquamist's new offerings, with the high-speed-valves...they act much like fuel-injectors and are much easier to control/tune. Surely your clients would appreciate another offering that would allow their engines to operate at safer levels with consistant performance from cooler intake temps?...and I don't mean on the street, I mean on the track...where heatsoak exists. We've seen 60-80degF drops from W/I over intercoolers alone!!!! It'd be nice to have the same power on a 110deg day as when it's 50degs...no???
The STIs, Evos, GNs, trucks, past F1 cars, EVERY WRC car for years, F/I Vettes, ect....all have shown phenomenal gains from W/I. The only reason why it hasn't shown to be a great addition to the P-car world is lack of experience with it.

If it's not your bag, fine...it's OK. But weight?...W/I too much weight??? Should someone be so serious to forego the 20-some-odd-lbs of a good W/I system, then I assume they don't have A/C or a radio on their car? Or front windshield wipers?...one can just use RainX. And then remove all carpet/insulation...ect. It doesn't weigh that much, which systems are you referring to ???

I'm waiting to see a tuner take a 996TT and properly run a W/I system on it. I've no doubt 5-10%...probably the higher side...increase in power and spool will be achieved, over what is possible without it. There is just so little actual experience with it here, I'm more than a little surprised...but then again only a few have actually had the ability to "tune" for it. That will soon change.



Shiv...you need to do some W/I testing!!!!

Perhaps then the voodo of it will be put to rest.

Be good,
TomK
hAving run meth injection on my 06sti, i can concur with TomK.

the gains were phenomenal, and the system was very intelligent (julio from alkycontrol.com is a very smart guy, who happened to set mine up personally)

1 gal of meth lasts a week (or so) of DD fun for me...........

ese
 


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