996 Turbo / GT2 Turbo discussion on previous model 2000-2005 Porsche 911 Twin Turbo and 911 GT2.

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Old Jun 6, 2007 | 09:51 PM
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This all comes down too two things. Firstly, I have no doubt a 996TT will hit the 9 second mark this year. Secondly, it will be at least a few more years before one enters the time Bello ran. Until then, the aircooled cars still have the belt. And who knows, maybe another air cooled will come out and beat Bello's time. And the whole weight thing is rediculous, just because a car is lighter than yours doesn't make that an excuse for running a slower time. At the end of the day, if you wanted to, you could gut it. Thats a personal preference, not an excuse. Those are just my thoughts. I still think they are both great vehicles in their own way, from my experience (owning both).
 
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Can't see too well but this looks like his new car setup not the one he ran those 9 seconds with, am I mistaken? This does look like an individual TB setup Carrera N/A turbocharged engine.

In any case not that it would make any difference, a car weighing less than 2500lbs does not need more than 700+HP to show those numbers. The problem with the 996 being run is that they have street or track setups, I have yet not seen any of them running really soft suspension or heightened from the rear to hook up properly.

But I do agree Tito, Air cooled rule! (they did get us in the 60-130mph though!)
 

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Originally Posted by Tito
Trust me when I said the thing had a Porsche tt Engine
all the time??? there are guys I know that ran at the same time with Eddie and they say otherwise... Im not arguing just asking honest questions...
my guys are telling me that it was a 1973 chasis with a P car motor then he blew it up then he went to a V8... I was told that he did run a 9.4 or something liek that on the P car engine... then he put in some sort of V8...
It was common knowledge among certain people that he was running a V8 at one time...
just relaying some info thats all.
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Old Jun 6, 2007 | 10:35 PM
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Originally Posted by mclaren55
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And the whole weight thing is rediculous, just because a car is lighter than yours doesn't make that an excuse for running a slower time. At the end of the day, if you wanted to, you could gut it. Thats a personal preference, not an excuse. Those are just my thoughts. I still think they are both great vehicles in their own way, from my experience (owning both).
You couldn;t be more wrong. Raceweight is critical to the ET and trap speed. Of course a 2500 lb car will run better ETs than a 3500 lb car .. and it is totally a reason why there is a result difference for a given power level.

You're comparing a racecar to a street car.
 
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Originally Posted by MARKSKI
all the time??? there are guys I know that ran at the same time with Eddie and they say otherwise... Im not arguing just asking honest questions...
my guys are telling me that it was a 1973 chasis with a P car motor then he blew it up then he went to a V8... I was told that he did run a 9.4 or something liek that on the P car engine... then he put in some sort of V8...
It was common knowledge among certain people that he was running a V8 at one time...
just relaying some info thats all.
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If I may, I would love to clear up some of the misinformation going on here. I'm absolutely astounded at the stories, however I do know there are some fragments of true in each. Firstly, I have known Bello for around 12 years. I met him in the lanes at Moroso on a test evening. I was running a 930 with an efi motor and was preparing for an import event that weekend. He approached me and was rather soft spoken, asking questions about my setup. He told me that he had a 911 narrow body car and was trying to beat the yellow birds time. He had already ran a better et but not mph. I thought how great that someone other than my self was into drag racing Porsches! I exchanged information with him and kept intouch over the years. I followed the drag circut very closely and ran some events myself. So I was very intuned to what was going on.

To set the record straight, Bello ran an 80's vintage 911 with a C2 look. It was not a 73 car. As time progressed and he became more and more serious and began to experiment with high levels of boost. He was in my opinion the first to do that other than the factory, and really opened the eyes of many people that discovered what he was doing that. I remember many very well respected tuners in the day that wouldn't run 1.2 or 1.3 bar without C-16! Even the Supra guys never ran much in those days! Bello also lightened the car and improved the aerodynamics. He ran against a now good friend of mine Jimmy K that also had a 9 second Porsche at a big import event in NJ. Jimmy beat him in a headsup race but only due to the fact that his charge pipe blew off at mid track. Bello went out later obviously not in a good mood and laid down a 9.52@161.8mph. That pretty much blew everyones minds that witnessed that run. Unheard of in those times. As times progressed so did his car. He did indeed have a flat 6 911 motor in the car when he ran 9.1 at an IDRC event in ATCO.

What has caused the rumors is the fact that he did build a tube chassis car out of that original Porsche and had planned on competing in the pro classes. He mulled over many engine options from Porsche V8's to 4cyl 968 engines. He finally elected to stay with his aircooled 6. However, it was to be mounted up front and would run through an automatic. The body was a very beautiful carbon fiber 996. The car was completed but never saw the track unfortunately.

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Joe R,

you mentioned some names that I actually was referring too... I am sure you know more then I do... like I said b4, I am repeating what some people I know told me...
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ok so the cat is out of the bag

Show me some luv with some 9 sec passes, dont forget to video the run

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Eddie Bello, AKA, the "East Coast Assassin," is a fan favorite on the rapidly growing National Hot Rod Association’s Import Drag Racing Circuit (IDRC). His now legendary Porsche 911 was hailed as the "world’s quickest 911 in 1999," recording a 9.17 second, 162 mph quarter mile.

Bello rocketed to stardom at the 1999 Tire Rack IDRC season finale in one of the wildest races in import drag racing history. Determined not to lose to Stephan Papdakis’ front drive Honda, Eddie went all-out — pulling wheel stands in first, second and third gears — but his 9.81 turned out to be second best in his class.

Like many of the today’s top IDRC drivers, Bello started out as a street racer. He built a reputation on the back streets of Brooklyn, New York, driving a personally-tuned VW GTI, a rotory Mazda RX-7, and a twin-turbo Nissan Z-car, before he discovered that there is "no substitute" for a Porsche.
"Look for Bello to dominate in 2001 in his new, 1100 hp. Alcohol burning 2000 Porsche 996."

In 1995, Eddie bought the 1993 Porsche Carrera-2 and immediately swapped out the stock engine for Porsche’s ultimate street-racing weapon: the twin-turbo boxer six. Then the tweaking began. Eddie did some experimenting and modifications. In no time flat, Eddie was blowing consistent 10s on street tires at the drag strip. He caught the attention of Toyo tires, who recognized the marketing opportunity and signed Bello to run Toyo tires exclusively.
With a newer, faster Porsche in his garage (an 1100 hp. Alcohol burning 2000 996 abberation), Bello and his quickly growing company, Bellotech Racing is looking to dominate Import Drag Racing — at speeds in excess of 200 mph.

Bello and his Porsches are media magnets. He has been featured on the cover of Turbo, European Car, and Street Legal magazines. Plus he has been interviewed for feature stories in Super Street and NHRA magazine. Import Drag Racing fans are going to be seeing a lot of Eddie Bello in 2001. But you’d better not blink. He won’t be standing still for long.
 

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found one of the photos
 
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Joe, I believe the Jimmy's car was tuned by Todd K.? Isn't this the car that got stolen?

Some reports (gossip?) also of a full fiberglass floorpan and cut out sheet metal.

The article seems mistaken, the engine was a N/A engine if it is the same as in the picture. That trap speed has yet to be beaten, fantastic! Great aerodynamics on that C2 Narrowbody, easily a 70HP+ gain at 160mph.

Where is your car Joe, time to raise the bar a bit
 
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Originally Posted by JETJOX
If I may, I would love to clear up some of the misinformation going on here. I'm absolutely astounded at the stories, however I do know there are some fragments of true in each. Firstly, I have known Bello for around 12 years. I met him in the lanes at Moroso on a test evening. I was running a 930 with an efi motor and was preparing for an import event that weekend. He approached me and was rather soft spoken, asking questions about my setup. He told me that he had a 911 narrow body car and was trying to beat the yellow birds time. He had already ran a better et but not mph. I thought how great that someone other than my self was into drag racing Porsches! I exchanged information with him and kept intouch over the years. I followed the drag circut very closely and ran some events myself. So I was very intuned to what was going on.

To set the record straight, Bello ran an 80's vintage 911 with a C2 look. It was not a 73 car. As time progressed and he became more and more serious and began to experiment with high levels of boost. He was in my opinion the first to do that other than the factory, and really opened the eyes of many people that discovered what he was doing that. I remember many very well respected tuners in the day that wouldn't run 1.2 or 1.3 bar without C-16! Even the Supra guys never ran much in those days! Bello also lightened the car and improved the aerodynamics. He ran against a now good friend of mine Jimmy K that also had a 9 second Porsche at a big import event in NJ. Jimmy beat him in a headsup race but only due to the fact that his charge pipe blew off at mid track. Bello went out later obviously not in a good mood and laid down a 9.52@161.8mph. That pretty much blew everyones minds that witnessed that run. Unheard of in those times. As times progressed so did his car. He did indeed have a flat 6 911 motor in the car when he ran 9.1 at an IDRC event in ATCO.

What has caused the rumors is the fact that he did build a tube chassis car out of that original Porsche and had planned on competing in the pro classes. He mulled over many engine options from Porsche V8's to 4cyl 968 engines. He finally elected to stay with his aircooled 6. However, it was to be mounted up front and would run through an automatic. The body was a very beautiful carbon fiber 996. The car was completed but never saw the track unfortunately.

Joe R






Now to the straight
Any pics of your car Joe? I did a Suncoast event a couple of years ago in my 993 at the Bradenton 1/4 and was amazed at the 9.xx second run you were pulling in your 911.
 
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Some reports (gossip?) also of a full fiberglass floorpan and cut out sheet metal.

Now we are getting to the dirt under the nails, Still Air Cool
 
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I realize we have been working on KA for what seems to be eternity. We have been working with Todd Knighten along with sharing certain infomation and parts like cams. Todd's advancement with the GT3 software on 996tt ecu allowed us to take the next step with the cams.

Step back and take a look at what some of Todd's recent creations have produced. Now, imagine approx .3 liters being added with a stroked crank. This provides an ungodly amount of torque in the low and mid rpm range. Now imagine taking the bore from 100 mm to 104 mm. This adds approx. .4 litres. The added bore displacement really adds hp in the mid to upper rpm's.

With the stroker motor the rpm's will be reduced to 8000 redline, but the torque and power will be there through the whole spectrum. The nitrous hasn't even been factored yet.

Just looking at displacement only is like comparing a 3.6 to a 2.9 litre motor. And this car will weigh just over 2900 pounds when finished. If the current cars are knocking on the door of the high nines, what do you think this set up will be capable of?
 
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Todd was the Grandfather of my project, when everyone else in the planet told us that it was "Impossible" just to "add" a turbo with stock internals he made it happen @ 320whp back then, I was a "Hot Shoot" in my world

If Todd has his hand in this projects rest assure he will make this happen

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Joe, I believe the Jimmy's car was tuned by Todd K.? Isn't this the car that got stolen?

Some reports (gossip?) also of a full fiberglass floorpan and cut out sheet metal.

The article seems mistaken, the engine was a N/A engine if it is the same as in the picture. That trap speed has yet to be beaten, fantastic! Great aerodynamics on that C2 Narrowbody, easily a 70HP+ gain at 160mph.

Where is your car Joe, time to raise the bar a bit
Jean,

Jimmy's car was indeed tuned by TK. Although he did have a very simple Haltech F9 on it. It made very good power, somewhere in the mid 800's and was not an ultra light car. He was running in the 9.70's and low 150's when he got it dialed in. It was very impressive even by todays standards. TK worked out a very effective combination for him. That is a real testament to Todds engineering savy. I remember when he was located in Ft. Lauderdale, and took a lot of bad mouthing from some of the other Porsche builders in the local area. No doubt, there are a lot of very jealous people out there. I really commend him for having such perseverance with the many obstacles he had to face.

Well, I hope to be back at the track soon. The car has been down for sometime now. I've just been so damn busy with the aviation business that I just haven't had time to fool with the 4 car projects that I have. However, now things are moving again and I see light at the end of the tunnel. I have big hopes for the Porsche and know it will run a really respectable time next time out. We're all a bunch(6 speeders) of crazies that never stop trying to set the bar higher!

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Thanks for the info Joe.

Looking forward to see some more runs with your car. Call when you're in this area again. Cheers.
 


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