996 Turbo / GT2 Turbo discussion on previous model 2000-2005 Porsche 911 Twin Turbo and 911 GT2.

Autoweek first to test CGT

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Old Apr 7, 2004 | 03:47 PM
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Autoweek first to test CGT

0-60 mph: 3.5 sec
0-100 mph: 7.06
1/4 mile: 11:35 @ 129.5 mph
0-100-0: 11.6 sec, 882 ft
60-0: 104 ft
lateral acceleration (50 m skidpad): 0.95 g

"It is not quite as fast a a McLaren F1, .7 second shy to 100 mph, short by the same margin to 120 mph. But is there anything else out there that even comes close? Let's hope Ferrari will lend us an Enzo, and Mercedes an SLR McLaren to help us find out. Sure by any rational standard $440k is a ridculous amount to even think about paying for a car, even two or three cars. But after one day in the company of the Porsche Carrera GT, it really does begin to look dangerously like a bargain."
 
Old Apr 7, 2004 | 04:13 PM
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This is about the same as a 550 HP Ruf Turbo R, which will likely outperform the CGT on most streets because of it's shorter nose and greater ground clearance. In my opinion, the CGT is not that awesome. Other car mags mentioned that slightly modified turbos are as fast or faster. Also, how can you consider a convertible a serious performance car?

However, it's probably the most "bang-for-the-buck" for showing-off to the neighbors, especially for it's sound.
 

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Ouch Mr. Bill -- Talk about pissing in someone's cornflakes.
 
Old Apr 7, 2004 | 05:10 PM
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"Other car mags mentioned that slightly modified turbos are as fast or faster."

in a straight line, yeah maybe. haven't seen too many "slightly modified turbos" do 7.30 on the Ring either. in fact, haven't seen too many heavily modified turbos do it either. then again, you have to really wonder about reliability and driveability of a highly modified turbo with suspect one off R&D.

"Also, how can you consider a convertible a serious performance car?"

when it (with the top off) is 10% more rigid than a GT2...
 
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H'mmm, last time I checked F-1 cars are convertibles...
 
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H'mmm, last time I checked F-1 cars are convertibles...
 
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Originally posted by Bill S
This is about the same as a 550 HP Ruf Turbo R, which will likely outperform the CGT on most streets because of it's shorter nose and greater ground clearance. In my opinion, the CGT is not that awesome. Other car mags mentioned that slightly modified turbos are as fast or faster. Also, how can you consider a convertible a serious performance car?

However, it's probably the most "bang-for-the-buck" for showing-off to the neighbors, especially for it's sound.
I'm curious about what you have read about the CGT. If you read about its technology, when asked why Porsche didn't make a closed top car, they say that the CGT had such a stiff body that there was no need to make it a coupe, even by race car standards.

Also, a convertible would imply a folding top, if anything the CGT could be called a targa, but I wouldn't even say that. Lastly, I would take a CGT over a turbo any day. If the CGT is actually worth the money it costs, that's a different question. It will definately out-perform any similarly powered car on the track also. So unless the turbo is making 650hp I doubt it would have a chance.

I'm not bashing the turbo here, it is the seconnd best car in the world. And we all know what the best one is.
 
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Sorry about the cornflakes. It's just my opinion as a collector. I seriously think a modded twin-turbo on a slightly bumpy winding mountain road will be as fast or faster. Some car mags have written that the CGT scrapes the front nose often under these conditions.

Wonder how it feels at 180+ with the top off?

Also, I think most will agree that the price is too high for 1,500 cars.
 

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Originally posted by Bill S

Wonder how it feels at 180+ with the top off?

Probably pretty good!!!
 
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Also, I think most will agree that the price is too high for 1,500 cars.

..Hey, whatever it takes for Porsche to get back into serious, top-level racing.
They're not really going to fund the entire motorsports program with Cayenne's, are they?
 
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Splitting hairs.

Some of you speak as though you can fully expoit the powers of such a car as the CGT or even a stock 911 Turbo and to say one wickedly fast car is going to be faster than the other wickedly fast car is all blabber. Can you do what Walter R. does? If you can, then please step up and show us what you got.

You spend $440K+ not by the mag numbers, but for the sheer experience dictated by the sum of its engineering.
 
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Splitting hairs.

Some of you speak as though you can fully expoit the powers of such a car as the CGT or even a stock 911 Turbo and to say one wickedly fast car is going to be faster than the other wickedly fast car is all blabber. Can you do what Walter R. does? If you can, then please step up and show us what you got.

You spend $440K+ not by the mag numbers, but for the sheer experience dictated by the sum of its engineering.
I think the argument is the ability of the car, not of the driver. I understand your point, and 99% of people that will own that car probably won't be able to fully exploit its abilities.

I also agree 100% on the price factor. Probably one of the most advanced cars on the road today (if not the most advanced).
 
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Originally posted by Frosty
I think the argument is the ability of the car, not of the driver. I understand your point, and 99% of people that will own that car probably won't be able to fully exploit its abilities.

I also agree 100% on the price factor. Probably one of the most advanced cars on the road today (if not the most advanced).
Thx for pointing that out as I do agree with what point we're supposedly arguing.

But, again, the ability of the car is so... unreal it'll take unreal driving skills to begin to approach any type of "exploiting" of supercars such as the beloved CGT.
 
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