996 Turbo / GT2 Turbo discussion on previous model 2000-2005 Porsche 911 Twin Turbo and 911 GT2.

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Old Jul 5, 2007 | 08:32 AM
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Originally Posted by PorschePhd
It is not like the GM ECUs, as far as complexity, you can look at the files until you are blue in the face and unless you have the complete program and the interpretation of the hex addresses forget. As far as complexity, well the original programming by Bosch became so complicated that software had to be written to just get start up. Form there was 100 hours on the engine dyno, then the street tuning. The newest of the TTs are 3 times more complicated than the 996TT. In addition to the software you will also need the ability to write to it, that is a whole separate subject. Bottom line a serious hobbyist is probably not going to be able to pull this off.

No, it is nothing like Motec or Haltec hence why so many people like to think piggy back is the way to go. The programs in the car are too smart and will stop you shy of 600HP FWIW.
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I just got a chance to see how the Ferrari ECU's are encoded and I have to positively say 99.99% of just 'enthusiasts' won't be able to pull it off. Although its some pretty amazing stuff.
 
Old Jul 5, 2007 | 09:59 AM
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Originally Posted by PorschePhd
Just by the real tuning software. It is not hard to get. There are a handful of major players...it will cost you about 15K for the base tuning software then you will need the Damos files which will cost you as well. No one is keping anyone from anything. It is just not cheap and even if you do buy it there are more maps then you can imagine in there. Witout the Damos files you are sunk.
Most of these "tuning" packages you can buy, give you access to less then 1% of available maps in the ecu.

Even with a damos, you will still have to sort through ~4300 active maps in an me7 ecu to figure out what it going on. It takes the average person (myself included) 2-3 years to really understand what is truly going on in the ecu, unless you have a significant amount of help from an outside source.

Tuning these ecus requires many things you cant just buy, ie. a high speed data logging application, in circuit emulators, a dyno ect ect.

Tuning the me7 ecu is much more involved then any other ecu I have ever touched! But once you have it dial in, its worth the time, head ache and frustration it took top get there.
 
Old Jul 5, 2007 | 10:01 AM
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Originally Posted by MARKSKI
From what I was told it is very limited in use... if u try to go past certain parameters it will switch maps on you... you see u need certain security codes to get around these things.... then to complicate things even more... You need the hardcore stuff to be able to do what you want it to do... maybe its good for 500 rwhp but anything beyond that I would not be so sure.
My friend uses the Revo stuff on Audi's but its very limited in use...
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I bet your friend uses Lemiwinks for change the addaption channels on his audi. This allows global changes to timing, fuel, load offsets ect.

If there is enough interest, I can most likely put somthing similar together for these cars.
 
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I bet your friend uses Lemiwinks for change the addaption channels on his audi. This allows global changes to timing, fuel, load offsets ect.

If there is enough interest, I can most likely put somthing similar together for these cars.
Tony, have you gotten the chance to play with the 997TT?
 
Old Jul 5, 2007 | 10:12 AM
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Originally Posted by Origyns 973
Tony, have you gotten the chance to play with the 997TT?
Not yet. I've tuned more then a few other cars with similar ecu's (MED 9).

Just waiting for a test car....
 
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Originally Posted by nerdhotrod
Most of these "tuning" packages you can buy, give you access to less then 1% of available maps in the ecu
My point exactly. That is why I always try to explain even if you have all what you need, you still will not have a clue without a hell of a lot of time or friends who BTDT to point out all the maps. It is not as cut and dry as people would like to believe. The 997TT is even worse as far as the maps are concerned and the encryption is double what the 996TT was. Nevertheless it is a wonderful setup once you gain a grasp on the entire setup.
 
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Originally Posted by nerdhotrod
I bet your friend uses Lemiwinks for change the addaption channels on his audi. This allows global changes to timing, fuel, load offsets ect.

If there is enough interest, I can most likely put somthing similar together for these cars.
i want the lemmi! i hate it when my s4 buddies bust out their laptop and bam +50 hp....
 
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i had a map-ecu on my supra and, while one can take a certain amount of joy in tuning their own car, i'm glad i don't have to mess w/ it anymore. (of course, on the flipside, when something goes wrong, i have little to no visibility on what's wrong.)

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Right now I'm playing with a GT2 using Lemiwinks, I'll keep you posted.,cheers, Sonny.
 
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Right now I'm playing with a GT2 using Lemiwinks, I'll keep you posted.,cheers, Sonny.
Judging by your just updated signature can we make the conclusion that you picked up a GT2?
 
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Originally Posted by PorschePhd
My point exactly. That is why I always try to explain even if you have all what you need, you still will not have a clue without a hell of a lot of time or friends who BTDT to point out all the maps. It is not as cut and dry as people would like to believe. The 997TT is even worse as far as the maps are concerned and the encryption is double what the 996TT was. Nevertheless it is a wonderful setup once you gain a grasp on the entire setup.

Yeah, I suppose I should have been more specific.

My experience with LS1/LS2/LS7 pcms is using HP tuners software which reads the stock calibration and allows you to change parameters in various tables.

I want no part in sorting out raw unorganized data from a foreign (to me) PCM
 
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Judging by your just updated signature can we make the conclusion that you picked up a GT2?
No thats not updated it always been my sig., and that still my car (Gt2), waiting for a my new 997 Gt2 thou., order one a while back.
 
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