02 Carrera or C4S
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Unless you're already counting 1/100's of a second per pound, in lost lap time, the performance difference between a *base* C2 and a C4S is not something to worry about. Most of the weight difference comes from standard luxury options. Only about 25% of the weight difference between the C2 and C4S is due to AWD. Another small portion comes comes the 4S's large wheels and brake rotors. The rest is all cushy stuff that comes standard on the 4S, and is optional on the C2. A well equipped C2 will have much of that weight too - leaving you the "performance" parts in weight on the 4S. The 4S also has a sport suspension, which a C2 does not - by default. The weight of the AWD, big wheels and big brake rotors can be a handicap, but only if you don't use the grip they offer to your advantage.
Numbers aside, I haven't yet come across a C2 on track that I haven't passed. =)
Numbers aside, I haven't yet come across a C2 on track that I haven't passed. =)
It's more about the 'feel' between the 2 variants. I've had a 4 and a 2 and the 2 just feels so much lighter and responsive in turns. I'm not saying one is better than the other by the way, maybe you're just a better driver than those guys in the 2's. I had a Carrera Super Cup driver in mine pass GT3RS's on track, in the wet!
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The mistake I hear stated over and over is that each car has it's signature "feel". This really isn't true. Change tire pressure, change camber, change toe... and you'll get to feel a whole new car!
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front:
height: 128mm
camber: -2.5deg total
toe: -1/16" total
caster: aprox 7.5deg (each side)
rear:
height: 143mm
camber -2.0deg total
toe: +1/8" total
I'm sure I'll change something again soon, after some more testing. On a fully stock suspension, only camber and toe can be changed. But, those, along with tire pressure, affect the chassis balance quite a bit.
Front Axel Height Measurement:
Rear Axel Height Measurement:
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True but it was you who stated 'base' C2, a base C2 will be lighter on turn in than a 'base' C4S. I've owned both and the 'feel' is lighter.
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I just hate putting my toys away. The C4S is the ride of choice for 4 seasons. I sold my Vette C6 because it was just unsafe to drive below 30 degrees (even with snows). For all WX the C4 is the vehicle of choice. I may go to the Porsche snow driving school this year!
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Regardless, the C2 is a fine car too, and I won't try to discourage you from enjoying every minute you spend driving it! =)
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I went the C4S way for the look and the slightly better suspension/brake setup...
But mostly for the look. The Wide Body is just mean...
If you're looking for a pure track car, most likely a base C2 with mods will do better than a C4S will all the extra leather :-) But if it's a DD, C4S. Safer when it rains and a lot nicer to look at (IMHO)
Good luck!
But mostly for the look. The Wide Body is just mean...
If you're looking for a pure track car, most likely a base C2 with mods will do better than a C4S will all the extra leather :-) But if it's a DD, C4S. Safer when it rains and a lot nicer to look at (IMHO)
Good luck!
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