GTR vs Gallardo SL vs 911 turbo vs GT-3 vs NSX-R on track
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Judging by the clunky gearbox and harsh ride, the GT-R is the best Nissan has to offer? Or am I mistaken, the V-spec will be slightly lighter (3600 lbs 
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Well it seems as if the only true comparison tests done by Nissan drivers yielded them nearly even, and everything since then has been obscured with discrepancies.
When you actually know what you are talking about pay us a visit and try again.
) and even stiffer. And we all know the TT is well down in the food chain at Porsche, so even at their best Nissan comes up short.Well it seems as if the only true comparison tests done by Nissan drivers yielded them nearly even, and everything since then has been obscured with discrepancies.
When you actually know what you are talking about pay us a visit and try again.
A GT2 is just a TT without AWD and a higher boost setting. It'd be terribly difficult to do the same with a GTR.
You'd think that at double the price, Porsche could come up with better. £100k?? So that's £40k for the badge, £40k for the car and £20k to grease your backside before the saleman closes the deal.
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PMSL. Nearly even? Are you in an alternative reality?
A GT2 is just a TT without AWD and a higher boost setting. It'd be terribly difficult to do the same with a GTR.
You'd think that at double the price, Porsche could come up with better. £100k?? So that's £40k for the badge, £40k for the car and £20k to grease your backside before the saleman closes the deal.
A GT2 is just a TT without AWD and a higher boost setting. It'd be terribly difficult to do the same with a GTR.
You'd think that at double the price, Porsche could come up with better. £100k?? So that's £40k for the badge, £40k for the car and £20k to grease your backside before the saleman closes the deal.
Thank you for exposing your ignorance. Anyone here who reads this will now know you have no idea what you are talking about.
But yes, you know the tests they did against the TT here in the states, all within a second of each other with people driving for real.
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Yes, the GT2 has VarioCam Plus, titanium tailpipes, expansion inlet manifold, ram induction and revised aerodynamics and weighs 150kg less. But my comment fits with the earlier assertion that a GTR V-Spec is just a GTR less 200lbs. PMSL.
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Sounds like a lot to me and you forgot the suspension. Completely different. And the PSM/TC is different.
Nissan has already said there wont be a power increase, only aero and less weight. There wont be nearly as much different on the V-spec as there is on the GT2. You cant put them in the same ballpark. The V-Spec is a GT-R, the GT2 is not a "Porsche Twin Turbo". It has it's own entity and name, two different cars.
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So a 1590kg AWD car beat a 1420kg RWD with more power in a straight line from a roll? PMSL.
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Torque is what accelerates a car. The 997tt has far more torque under the curve than the Z07, despite having only slightly higher peak tq. The stock Z06 will catch and pass a stock 997tt at the 1/4 mile (120 mph) then stay ahead until about 150mph. Then the 997tt will take it because the Z06 aerodynamic drag is much higher.
Hey you aren't arguing these videos, how about the Japanese Videos of the 997TT VS Z06 when you clearly seeing the 997TT pulling away from a dead stop, and continue pulling away?
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To ZO7:
What would you rather have in your garage:
1. Corvette ZR1/ZO6
2. Nissan GTR
3. Porsche 997TT
Most of us on this listserve would prefer for the TT for a multitude of reasons. Even assuming your ZR1/ZO6 is a much better performer on a track, there are many pragmatic reasons to reconsider your choice. For example, does your Chevy have a back seat for your children ? AWD for inclement weather ? Is it a reliable vehicle ? Does your Chevy dealer provide loaner cars for service, etc. Here in the States the service on a Chevy is less than desirable. I know this from personal very bad experiences. My Porsche dealer provides excellent service without an attitude. I know the TT is much more costly than a ZO6 or even the ZR1 to be released later in the year, but IMHO there is much more to owning a sports car than 0-60 times. BTW, I'm quite sure the new ZR1 will be an absolute animal at the track capable of spanking the TT. However, I would still rather have my reliable trusty steed (stock 997TT tip) for all of the reasons I mentioned. My 2 cents.
What would you rather have in your garage:
1. Corvette ZR1/ZO6
2. Nissan GTR
3. Porsche 997TT
Most of us on this listserve would prefer for the TT for a multitude of reasons. Even assuming your ZR1/ZO6 is a much better performer on a track, there are many pragmatic reasons to reconsider your choice. For example, does your Chevy have a back seat for your children ? AWD for inclement weather ? Is it a reliable vehicle ? Does your Chevy dealer provide loaner cars for service, etc. Here in the States the service on a Chevy is less than desirable. I know this from personal very bad experiences. My Porsche dealer provides excellent service without an attitude. I know the TT is much more costly than a ZO6 or even the ZR1 to be released later in the year, but IMHO there is much more to owning a sports car than 0-60 times. BTW, I'm quite sure the new ZR1 will be an absolute animal at the track capable of spanking the TT. However, I would still rather have my reliable trusty steed (stock 997TT tip) for all of the reasons I mentioned. My 2 cents.
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Dude. Give up. You gave it a valiant effort. You're trying to argue against really experienced and knowledgeable Porsche owners. The more you post, the sillier you sound.
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Sounds like a lot to me and you forgot the suspension. Completely different. And the PSM/TC is different.
Nissan has already said there wont be a power increase, only aero and less weight. There wont be nearly as much different on the V-spec as there is on the GT2. You cant put them in the same ballpark. The V-Spec is a GT-R, the GT2 is not a "Porsche Twin Turbo". It has it's own entity and name, two different cars.
Nissan has already said there wont be a power increase, only aero and less weight. There wont be nearly as much different on the V-spec as there is on the GT2. You cant put them in the same ballpark. The V-Spec is a GT-R, the GT2 is not a "Porsche Twin Turbo". It has it's own entity and name, two different cars.
Are you absolutely sure it's not going to have say a titanium valvetrain, CCBs, titanium aluminium turbines wheels, enhanced drivetrain control and 1.0 bar of boost, as well as the aero mods and weight saving?
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Cars should be tested stock for stock.
If the GT-R leaves the showroom with R-compounds, super stiff suspension and that trick flappy paddle gearbox, then that's what you get (and its still cheaper than the Turbo or GT3).
The GT3 and GT2 come with R-compounds. And the G-car comes with e-gear.
No point moaning either about the TT's conservative suspension settings. Again, that's what Porsche have sold the car with, and that's the way the car will be tested. If Nissan decided to sell the car with -3 degrees of negative camber, then that's their business (and owners will just have to deal with obscene tire wear after a few thousand miles).
Point is, when Nissan announced that their GT-R had the TT in its sights, everyone (myself included) chuckled and said, "yeah right!". Now we're all making excuses for our beloved 911.
Having said that... this BM test looks bogus to me for a whole spectrum of reasons. I don't subscribe to the conspiracy theory-- that the Japanese automobile manufacter and journalist yakuza have intentionally produced this video to show the GT-R humbling the Porsche. But running a tired car on bald tires doesn't look fair, and I find it hard to believe that the GT3 and Turbo would get spanked THAT badly.
Best judge will be once customers start getting their cars later this year, and those cars meet GT3's and Turbos on the track. I wouldn't be surprised if the GTR develops a pretty fierce reputation as a track warrior to be respected. But let's see if they are cars that 911 Turbo owners will learn to fear.
(and i'm leaving tuned cars out of this, because once you start doing that, all bets are off on both sides)
If the GT-R leaves the showroom with R-compounds, super stiff suspension and that trick flappy paddle gearbox, then that's what you get (and its still cheaper than the Turbo or GT3).
The GT3 and GT2 come with R-compounds. And the G-car comes with e-gear.
No point moaning either about the TT's conservative suspension settings. Again, that's what Porsche have sold the car with, and that's the way the car will be tested. If Nissan decided to sell the car with -3 degrees of negative camber, then that's their business (and owners will just have to deal with obscene tire wear after a few thousand miles).
Point is, when Nissan announced that their GT-R had the TT in its sights, everyone (myself included) chuckled and said, "yeah right!". Now we're all making excuses for our beloved 911.
Having said that... this BM test looks bogus to me for a whole spectrum of reasons. I don't subscribe to the conspiracy theory-- that the Japanese automobile manufacter and journalist yakuza have intentionally produced this video to show the GT-R humbling the Porsche. But running a tired car on bald tires doesn't look fair, and I find it hard to believe that the GT3 and Turbo would get spanked THAT badly.
Best judge will be once customers start getting their cars later this year, and those cars meet GT3's and Turbos on the track. I wouldn't be surprised if the GTR develops a pretty fierce reputation as a track warrior to be respected. But let's see if they are cars that 911 Turbo owners will learn to fear.
(and i'm leaving tuned cars out of this, because once you start doing that, all bets are off on both sides)
Thanks for a realistic viewpoint, this is one of the first posts I've seen regarding the GT-R that isn't loaded with crap. I whole heartedly agree with your points, to think that it came from the owner of a Porsche (often the targets of all the GT-R fanboys) is very open minded and encouraging to see, makes me wish there weren't so many 12 yr olds posting crap about the GT-R and giving crap to others
Anyway thought you guys might be interested in this, though it maybe posted somewhere else in your forums:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tfDLwVZoCNM
Done by Edmunds.
Cheers Guys.
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ZO7 just please go away and spread your wisdom in a GTR forum. I think most of us here are getting sick of your stupid and mis-informed posts 
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Heres another one someone posted on another forum:
http://28268.com/ocauvids/GTR_vs_GT3_vs_M3_1_512kws.wmv
http://28268.com/ocauvids/GTR_vs_GT3_vs_M3_2_512kws.wmv
"Harris (good reviewer) thrashing a Black Edition imported by Litchfield UK."
Done by Autocar, comparing the GT3, M3 and R35.
Sorry if it appears that I'm trying to trash Porsche here as I'm not, this is one of the few forums that seems to have contributors making rational posts and considered arguments/POV comments, so I'm trying to collect the reviews that aren't full of sensationalist crap for people who might actually appreciate that
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I like this guys approach to reviewing, he is quite objective and explains his reasoning and I would have to say I think his conclusions are quite apt. Whats more he sticks to testing what he set out to test, instead of letting testing creep into areas where one car just particularly excels. Looks like the GT3 certainly will give the R35 a run for its money.
Going to be interesting here in Aus, a bloke has just imported an R35 to race in the Targa West against Jim Richards's GT3 RS which has won the event outright for the last few years I think. Should be fun
http://28268.com/ocauvids/GTR_vs_GT3_vs_M3_1_512kws.wmv
http://28268.com/ocauvids/GTR_vs_GT3_vs_M3_2_512kws.wmv
"Harris (good reviewer) thrashing a Black Edition imported by Litchfield UK."
Done by Autocar, comparing the GT3, M3 and R35.
Sorry if it appears that I'm trying to trash Porsche here as I'm not, this is one of the few forums that seems to have contributors making rational posts and considered arguments/POV comments, so I'm trying to collect the reviews that aren't full of sensationalist crap for people who might actually appreciate that
.I like this guys approach to reviewing, he is quite objective and explains his reasoning and I would have to say I think his conclusions are quite apt. Whats more he sticks to testing what he set out to test, instead of letting testing creep into areas where one car just particularly excels. Looks like the GT3 certainly will give the R35 a run for its money.
Going to be interesting here in Aus, a bloke has just imported an R35 to race in the Targa West against Jim Richards's GT3 RS which has won the event outright for the last few years I think. Should be fun
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