997 Turbo / GT2 2006–2012 Turbo discussion on the 997 model Porsche 911 Twin Turbo.
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Old Apr 12, 2008 | 09:31 PM
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Originally Posted by HotRodGuy
It will not hold like the 993TT, i'll put money on it. The 993TT has a lot going for it, last air cooled turbo, low production, etc
Agreed .
My point was more geared towards its recent resale depreciation and how an end of production could influence it.
 
Old Apr 12, 2008 | 09:35 PM
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Originally Posted by TT Surgeon
I actually disagree with Louis on this one. I think they will use the m97(beefed up?) in the turbo and gt3(non RS) in the future, they have carefully studied their demographics on this guys. Purists are not the intended customers, they'll save 10k+ per car and sell them for a higher price. Brilliant.
I'm with you on this and will guess futher that the model line will go though an abrupt transition to the 998 .

The cars we have --may very well be something to hold onto OR sell into the decreased supply.

I am holding mine . That's where I stand as far as my car but if I was eager to sell I would wait .
 
Old Apr 12, 2008 | 09:56 PM
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I doubt they will cut production, they are making money and selling cars wheres the problem? Porsche is not going to slip there own throats.
 
Old Apr 12, 2008 | 10:02 PM
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I doubt they will cut production, they are making money and selling cars wheres the problem? Porsche is not going to slip there own throats.
They did it with the 993 where they used up all the remaining parts in 1998 and cut out several models . There was no Turbo until the 996tt in 2001 . In 2004 Turbo coupes were scarce .

"Selling cars" may not always be the best route .

If they convert to a wet sump engine , save money, and sink profit into the 998 production ending the 997 after a year or two --the model still would have been successful .

Our cars are the backbone of that success though.
 
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Originally Posted by lardog
yes 997 and 997s in 2009 turbo in 2010
That's awesome.. I wonder why they haven't officially unveiled DSG since its coming out so soon though
 
Old Apr 13, 2008 | 06:23 AM
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Originally Posted by yrralis1
They did it with the 993 where they used up all the remaining parts in 1998 and cut out several models . There was no Turbo until the 996tt in 2001 . In 2004 Turbo coupes were scarce .

"Selling cars" may not always be the best route .

If they convert to a wet sump engine , save money, and sink profit into the 998 production ending the 997 after a year or two --the model still would have been successful .

Our cars are the backbone of that success though.
Yes, but the difference was that in the mid 90's Porsche was struggling and could not sell cars, therefore they were making less due to a lower demand.
Fast forward to today, Porsche is the most profitable car maker in the world and they don't need to make those same choices.



Look at how 993 sales in the us slowed down towards the end of their production cycles. They were building cars with what parts they had left over. No 993TT's were built in 98 (Except a couple of special cars) so Porsche took a 4 hiatus on their flagship car in order to get their **** together. US sales makes up about 40% of Porsches world sales, so whatever happens here will surely have an impact on what they produce.
Again, I would not be surprised if they took time off from it again (hell they did not send a Turbo this way from 1979-1986) but I don't see them watering down their line just to make a few more bucks.
They should actually be focusing on the opposite with serious competitors like the GTR and the Z06 with similar (or better) performance aiming their sites directly at the Turbo.
Only time will tell I guess.
 
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I could definitely see them switching to the 'integrated dry sump" design for the turbo and the rest of the line up. As noted , they know their demographic very well, probably less than 1% of owners are track junkies. Most owners, sad as it may be, have no clue about dry sump GT1 racing engines. They will save/ make $10K+ additional profit per car with the engine change alone. Why do you think 4 out of 5 cars come down the line on the cheaper Bridgestones vs Michelins with no adjustment in the price?
But all this is probably relavent to the immediate future, the next 911 will have a V8 that will be shared with the Cayenne and Panamera platforms. Porsche has maxed out the N/A flat6 design in racing platforms, they are getting beaten by Ferrari nearly every week in ALMS and have lost several key teams to Ferrari. This has been a slap in the face wake up call in Wiessach. A compact V8 also makes sense on a noise reduction and emmissions basis as well as the racing stuff.
 

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Originally Posted by TT Gasman
I could definitely see them switching to the 'integrated dry sump" design for the turbo and the rest of the line up. As noted , they know their demographic very well, probably less than 1% of owners are track junkies. Most owners, sad as it may be, have no clue about dry sump GT1 racing engines. They will save/ make $10K+ additional profit per car with the engine change alone. Why do you think 4 out of 5 cars come down the line on the cheaper Bridgestones vs Michelins with no adjustment in the price?
But all this is probably relavent to the immediate future, the next 911 will have a V8 that will be shared with the Cayenne and Panamera platforms.
You are getting wrong info from people that have no idea what they are talking about

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Porsche has maxed out the N/A flat6 design in racing platforms, they are getting beaten by Ferrari nearly every week in ALMS and have lost several key teams to Ferrari. This has been a slap in the face wake up call in Wiessach. A compact V8 also makes sense on a noise reduction and emmissions basis as well as the racing stuff.
You mean like when Porsche won GT2 class at Sebring this year?
The V8 911 is definately not happening, if it does, it will ceirtanly not be a 911.
 
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You mean like when Porsche won GT2 class at Sebring this year?
The V8 911 is definately not happening, if it does, it will ceirtanly not be a 911.
Talk to the guys actually racing for Porsche in ALMS/Rolex and see what they have to say, you might be surprised, I know I was. That's all I'm gonna say.
 
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bring on the fu*king flat 8 lets get it on...
 
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09 Turbos will exist!!!! Ive confirmed with our rep. Ive said this twice before.
 
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09 Turbos will exist!!!! Ive confirmed with our rep. Ive said this twice before.
I heard later this year not June July.
 
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Interesting posts on updated Turbo or not updated.... http://www.rennteam.com/showflat.php...&page=0#434490
 
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09 Turbos will exist!!!! Ive confirmed with our rep. Ive said this twice before.
I only presented one side of the coin as a hypothetical .

However --if the actual outcome is what you state ..... and a facelift is due for 2010 .

Timberrrrrrrrrr. on our 997tt's

I was kinda growing fond of the "no 997tt" posts for that reason.
 
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Or...as I stated before, perhaps Porsche is having issues with pdk/fascia changes/touch screen and/or other updates, and will slightly delay release of the '09 for a few months until they clean it all up and have it right.
 


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