From what I have read and seen, the PSS10's are externally adjustable but not compatible with PASM. There is the PSS Damptronics that is compatible with PASM but does not have external adjustment. My friend had the PSS Damptronics installed and I did not see any external adjustment. The biggest difference is that the Sport mode is more tolerable on city streets than the OEM suspension. I don't know if Bilstein has since updated the PSS Damptronics to also have external adjustments.

 

Correct. That is what I was told by Bilsteing when I called them. AFAIK there are 2 "versions" of PSS10 (anyone corrects me please if I am wrong):

1. The version that is Porsche PASM compatible has NO external adjustment on the damper. You do have 2 choices of damping, and it is chosen by the PASM button inside the car: Soft or Firm.

2. The version that is not Porsche PASM compatible does have external ajdustment, a **** or whatever it is outside the damper. This has about 9 or 10 different levels of damping. If you use this with your Turbo, you have more adjustment choices, but there might be PASM warning light, and the cabin PASM button is non-functional.

The 2 kits have different part numbers.

 

Thanks. Too bad the guys on here trying to sell us these things steadfastly refuse to answer the numerous questions in this thread.

 

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Correct. That is what I was told by Bilsteing when I called them. AFAIK there are 2 "versions" of PSS10 (anyone corrects me please if I am wrong):

1. The version that is Porsche PASM compatible has NO external adjustment on the damper. You do have 2 choices of damping, and it is chosen by the PASM button inside the car: Soft or Firm.

2. The version that is not Porsche PASM compatible does have external ajdustment, a **** or whatever it is outside the damper. This has about 9 or 10 different levels of damping. If you use this with your Turbo, you have more adjustment choices, but there might be PASM warning light, and the cabin PASM button is non-functional.

The 2 kits have different part numbers.




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Can - Talked to my dealer the other day and he told me EXACTLY what you said - two versions doing exactly as you described.

Jamie - agree

My dealer quoted me about 2600.00 for the Bilsteins (PASM Compatible), 950.00 to install and 150.00 for alignment. These may be slightly off as I have the quote at work. I will edit when I get back to office and get exact price. Does this sound reasonable?

 

Mike and a few others have a PDF file on how to disable PASM using PIWIS. It keeps the warning light off.

http://awe-tuning.com/media/pdf/AWE_...ASM_Delete.pdf

 

Hi Jamie,

You are very welcome. To be fair, it's only us neurotics who pay attention to these little details.

Anyway, if you think about it, the NON PASM-compatible version might be MORE desireable! It allows you to change damping rate to a level that *you* like.

The PASM-compatible version comes with a preset rate that is NOT changeable and was determined by Bilstein engineers. I asked Bilstein who decided this rate, based on what experiment/experience, and if it was done with actual car testing. My questions were not answered "satisfactorily."

Bobby and I had a discussion on another thread, where we discussed the spring rates of the Bilstein. How do we know it's THE right one for whatever purpose we each use the car for? If one is to track the car, may the Bilstein's rates be a little soft?

OTOH, PSS10s' users' reports have been excellent and all have said it's better than stock.

 

If you are willing to do away with the PASM capability, there are many more options other than Bilsteins. KW, Moton, JRZ, and JIC...

 

does anyone know whether you can adjust the rebound and compression valves/rates separately on the non-pasm units?

 

Agreed. I am beginning to question the necessity/validity of PASM, in particular that Firm setting. It is extremely jittery to me. If corners are bumpy, I've found the Firm setting to cause the rear end to "walk" (laterally) in a most disconcerting manner.

There appear to be two ways to make a car "stiffer:"
1. Stiffening the spring (whether by changing to a stiffer spring, or changing to a coilover with a stiffer spring)
2. Stiffening the damper, keeping same spring rate (as done by PASM).

I am wondering if 2, at least as currently implemented by Posrche, is not as good as 1? In other words, if you would like to make a car feels stiffer, is it "better" to implement it through the spring, not the damper? Any pro's would like to chime in and correct me if I am wrong?

 

Sorry for not answering all the PM's May 5-9 I have been in Orlando on vacation with my fiance checking what I can from my IPhone. I will be back in the office on Monday to respond to all PM's and posts in the most professional and informative manner. My service to the 996TT community speaks volume of my offerings to the 997TT guys. I appreciate the opportunity to serve you.

 

I am back from vacation. If anyone needs to have any questions answered, please contact me at 480-966-3040 x222.

I did find some good info on Bilstein site. http://www.bilstein.de/cms_website/e...TEIN_Products/

As far as adjustability, it looks as if with the PASM setting to "stiffen" or "soften" the ride this is still function of course. I believe though that you should still have the ability to adjust the dampening manually.

 

Correct numbers are 2,610.00, 950.00 & 150.00

 

Just so you guys know I have 3 kits to use with PASM instock and price is $2600 shipped. Free shipping good till Friday May 16.

 

Thank you for the order Raiyu!