And the amazing thing is the ACR's time is done with no fancy doo dads, no fancy electronics, traction control, etc.

Just one big f*cking wing, man and machine.

 

And in only a couple of hours with a driver new to the car while banging off the rev limiter. It beat everyone else with hands tied behind the back.

 

Great comment, HC.

What about poor lost souls like me that fall in love with dang near every car they drive? I get them all, get the point of them, once you drive them. Except utterly souless commoditiy cars like Toyotas.

Oh well.

The ACR isn't street legal when its setting its great times, FWIW. Not that it matters, you can just take that front splitter off and drive it on the road legally.

 

Thanks Heavychevy for that great post.
To futher silence the doubters they really need to bring that Suzuki chap over from Japan as he knows the GTR like the back of his hand,and put him in a regular customer GTR.
On the same day get Walter Rohl to drive a unmodified customer GT2 on a bone dry track.
Then you would have irrefutable proof!

 

My buddy got a new viper ASR, f'ing thig is fast.

 

Nissan plans to go back to the ring with the 10' model of the GT-R, maybe Porsche should be there waiting for them with Walter.

Thing about the GT2 is that there are already three people who've driven within a few seconds of Porsches claimed times, and another who wholeheartedly beleives it possible.

Nissan can fault Chris Harris maybe for not knowing the car as well, but they cant fault him for having less hp in his car. That other GT-R was much faster in a straight line.

 

Dez,

Nissan "Benchmarked" their GT-R to the Porsche 997 TT....

Not Porsche's GT2 !!!

That's really an unfair comparision test/just like comparing the GT-R to GM's new ZR1 Vette.

We all would expect both the GT2 & the ZR1 to beat the GT-R.


That said, I agree that Nissan appears to have used a RINGER to achieve the 7:29 ring time.

I also agree the GT-R's 7:38 ring time is...

"Questionable".

Cya @ the track,

Trumper

 

Yeah but with all this fuss about it being as fast as the CGT, etc. It needed to be slapped back down to earth. I wish they had taken a GT3, which is still faster than the GT-R I dont care how many mags continue to lie.

 

The GT2 with 540hp @ 7:49 is 7 seconds faster than the GTR @ 7:56 and the 997tt with 485hp did 7:54, and you think the GT3 with only 415hp will be faster than the GTR? That would make the GT3 faster or just as fast as the 997tt, does that make any sense?

 

Ummm... YEP !!!


Porsche's 997 TT in stock configuration is more like a GT.

Much softer suspension than on a GT3.

 

I definitely understand your reasoning, and to some extent I agree with you, however, do to the 7:29 claim that was made by Nissan, they opened themselves up to this kind of comparison, whether it is a $70,000 z06 or a $600,000+ zonda. When it comes to lap times, you compare similar performance claims, even if that means a vw microbus that claims a 7:30 on the 'Ring. For the Nissan fans out there, it should be considered a compliment to be compared with the upper echelon like this, however, these comparison can also be scary if it starts to reveal unrealistic statements have been made.

They should have just left it at the 7:39 and left well enough alone. However, once the GT2 claimed 7:31, they quickly claimed 7:29 because their beast wasn't out yet. It seems too marketing oriented, once this was done, they opened themselves up to any comparison in that range no matter what their original "benchmark" comparison was meant for. Unfortunately, we are going to have to go through months of smack talk again once the spec-v or v-spec, whatever they are calling it, comes out. Everyone get ready for square one.

 

That's quite impressive, so essentially a GT3 can be almost as fast as the GT2 even with more than 100hp advantage. So the GT3 RS can probably be as fast as the GT2 or faster.

 

Everyone in the Porsche community knows the GT3 is faster than the Turbo. The suspension of the GT3 used to be the exact same as the cup car, now it's slightly different, but very similar. The Turbo's suspension is different, not meant for outright lapping speed because it would easily beat the GT3 and there would be no use for the GT2.

Everyone in the Porsche community also knows that the GT3 RS isnt any faster than a regular GT3, hardly anything different, certainly nothing worthwhile to make it significantly faster.

The GT3/RS is not as fast as a GT2, but it's not far behind.

The GT3 is highly underrated in the magazines. But when you get the right guys in them, there is nothing in the hp range that can keep up.

 

If nothing else, the GT3 is the best looking out of all the 997 models, IMO.

7:31 --- 164.38 km/h - Porsche 997 GT2, 530 PS/1440 kg, company test driver Walter Roehrl according to www.automotorsport.se/tv/?m=11159
7.39* -- 161.58 km/h - Porsche 997 GT3, 415 PS/1395 kg, *mfr. (quote sport auto 05/06)
7:42 --- 160.52 km/h - Porsche 997 GT3 RS, 415 PS/1420 kg (*mfr.)
7:54 --- 156.46 km/h - Porsche 997 Turbo, 480 PS/1620 kg (sport auto 06/07) www.supercars.net/PitLane?viewThread=y&gID=0&fID=2&tID=126501

 

Ummmm... not quite the same thing.

The Porsche GT2 is the Big Daddy of the 997's... and as such, it's the fastest production car (the CGT is dis-continued) in the line-up.

You need a lot of talent to wring out a GT2 on the track.

It's not for the faint of heart....

Very Powerful/Unforgiving ride.

Now the GT3 and the Z06 are comparable... and IMO...

both will SPANK a stock GT-R... in spite of what the rags say.