Drivers Republic GT2 v GTR around the Nurburgring
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Porsche has built itself an empire and kudos to them! We were talking about how the GT-R stacks up to the top of the line Porsche products originally on this thread. GT3, GT2 and 997 TT. Again the GT2 is slightly quicker on some tracks and the GT-R quicker on others depending on the driver. I think the GT2 should be quicker in the hands of a pro due to it's better tires, power to weight ratio and the fact that it is Porsche's current halo car. The GT-R beats the GT3 and 997TT easily in every track test and has beaten the GT2 on a few occasions as well. That is a fantastic result for a crappy car maker such as Nissan who has been building crap (besides the JDM GT-R) for years.
The Altima, Maxima, Sentra, and even the 350Z are no great pinnacles of engineering excellence! But with the GT-R Nissan has a halo model that is routinely seeing compared in the same breath as a Porsche GT2, Lamborghini LP-560 and Ferrari F430 Scuderia. Mission accomplished by Nissan I think to raise the brand awareness to heights it has not had due to the garbage they have been making. That is probably worth every penny they are losing making 2500 GT-R's a year.
The Altima, Maxima, Sentra, and even the 350Z are no great pinnacles of engineering excellence! But with the GT-R Nissan has a halo model that is routinely seeing compared in the same breath as a Porsche GT2, Lamborghini LP-560 and Ferrari F430 Scuderia. Mission accomplished by Nissan I think to raise the brand awareness to heights it has not had due to the garbage they have been making. That is probably worth every penny they are losing making 2500 GT-R's a year.
Not to mention it's fat and eats the brakes and costs a fortune to maintain. It's cost Nissan a fortune and it will cost the owners a fortune and because of the tranny issue and now being able to reset the blavk box to erase launch history the value will tank.
Like I said, making a fast car is easy, anyone can do it, but making a complete package that people can count on, from the warranty to the service, to the performance, is not. The GT-R fails at much of that.
The very thing that makes the GT-R competitive is it's weakest leak. And dont go on about the tires, which happen to be just as soft as R-compounds. And the GT-R in fact would overload sidewalls of MPSC. Any wonder why new secret dunlops are on the way?
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Chris Harris didnt drive the GT2, the guy that drifted the GT3 around in the Evo magazine test did. So not only was it not the same day, it wasnt the same driver.
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The track was slightly damp for the GT2 an LP-560, but the GT-R was quicker than the Carrera GT and matched the F430 Scuderia as well. That is very impressive for a Nissan to be in the same category as these high performance supercars.
Also the GTR got demolished in the motortrend test.
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Not only that, but I think we all know that the GT2 isnt faster than the CGT on most any track either. Not to mention the stig has changed over the years which is why there is no identity. But it's highly unlikely that the same guy that drove the CGT drove the GT-R and GT2.
Which, with the damp track means the GT2 should be farther ahead of the GT-R, but the CGT should still be in front. Albeit the gaps should be smaller because of the shorter lap lengths. I also dont think the Z06 should be slower than the 996 GT3 RS.
The list isnt ad at all in terms of accuracy, but Nissan supplying that car for the test is suspect at best and it's certainly not that much faster than the Z06.
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I certainly don't believe the GTR is faster than the GT2, but even if it was, as HC said, it doesn't take much to build a car that is fast for a couple of laps. The car is nothing unless it is capable of going fast for several hours, on up to 24 hours of continuous competition or more. That is why I keep saying, like a broken record, the GTR needs to prove itself in competition such as the 24 hours of Nurburgring. If it is such a great car, then it should be able to build a reputation in racing, as Porsche or Ferrari have, for example. When it does this, perhaps it will gain respect in the international arena.
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Not gonna happen. The GT-R chassis may have good balance but it's huge and fat and heavy. It has no place in GT racing unless it's prototype cars that dont resemble the street cars. I'm sure we'll see a GT-R in a prototype GT car at some point.
At this point though it seems Nissan would rather stick to the mag comparos, and Racing in Japan and Australia than racing with everyone else.
At this point though it seems Nissan would rather stick to the mag comparos, and Racing in Japan and Australia than racing with everyone else.
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I think you dont know what you're talking about. What you dont see in the accounts of the GT-R's is when they get spanked, but you see it everywhere else.
I guess you also havent seen people who've tracked the GT-R complaining about mushy pedal brake fade and running through tires like no tommorow. Overheating, limp mode etc. And not just occasionally, but on a regular basis.
Point is, you dont need 24 hrs to see the problem.
I guess you also havent seen people who've tracked the GT-R complaining about mushy pedal brake fade and running through tires like no tommorow. Overheating, limp mode etc. And not just occasionally, but on a regular basis.
Point is, you dont need 24 hrs to see the problem.
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I also will be interested to see how many GT-Rs attend this years 12 hours of Sebring. It's time for Nissan to put their money where the mouth is. BTW, I'm glad to see BMW back in the ALMS this year.
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Here's the point, and I have made it before. Weekend events do little to prove what car is better because there are too many unknowns. For example, we don't know if one car keeps winning because of mods, or because the driver is just that much better than everyone else. In order to make a statement about the greatness of a car, it has to win time and again under highly scruitinized situations on many different tracks. The new GTR has none of this. All it has in it's favor are highly questionable road tests done by magazines that need to make a buck. When you start testing it under somewhat controlled conditions (such as the test done by Driver's Republic) all the hype begins to fall apart. If you really want to prove how tough and fast the GTR is, you can start by bringing a few to the 24 hours of Nurburgring. Start winning in bonafide racing events and maybe it will earn a little respect.
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Here's another thing. The DR article pretty much proved that the standard GTR is about a 7:50 car. So, if Nissan is lucky, maybe the V-spec will actually be a 7:29 car. We already have a 996TT that has turned a 7:15, and I think that I just read that a 997 race car ran a 7:00, even. Nissan has a lot of work to do.
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http://www.gtrblog.com/index.php/200...t-r-spe?blog=4
Big letdown on the V-spec. It's next to nothing over the base GT-R.
On top of that. If you look at the last paragraph:
How about a Nurburgring time? Unfortunately we may never know what Nissan managed at the ‘ring. All signs point to them not publishing the Nurburgring times going forward.
GUILTY CONSCIENCE ANYONE????? Wonder why.............
I can hear the air deflating from the fanboys already. A whole 5 hp bump over the base model, no suspension work, still on 20's, and carbon brakes.
All that for estimated 100k over the base model.
Looks like the budget overages on the base GT-R have really killed the V-spec. Or the mag/net rumors were all smoke and mirrors as usual.
Oh yeah, and may not come stateside, very very few to be built.
So the fanboys are stuck with the bad tranny base model that will increase again in MSRP over time.
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Holy Smokes, Batman, a whole freakin' 5 more horsepower! What a road burner that will be. I bet they didn't post the 'ring time because they knew no one would believe it. Probably broke 7 minutes on street tires with Susuki blindfolded.
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I think it has stickier tires, so it may be a legit low 7:30's (meaning 7:32 or so) car when combined with the carbon brakes and overboost, which I'm almost sure they used on the 7:29 car anyways (hence the idea). But I'm sure they'll claim 10 seconds faster than anything legit.
That is, if they have the courage to make a claim since they did all that work and still no one believes them. Cheaters never win.
That is, if they have the courage to make a claim since they did all that work and still no one believes them. Cheaters never win.
