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Old Jan 29, 2009 | 06:42 AM
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Originally Posted by yrralis1
This is a very interesting essay . Too bad you did not write it . http://www.diseno-art.com/encycloped...1_GT2_997.html
 
Old Jan 29, 2009 | 10:23 AM
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Originally Posted by Hamann7
The Turbo is a very nice car for what it is. But if you are even thinking about tracking the car regularly, there really is no reason to pick a Turbo over a GT2. I know we all tend to defend what we own/drive, but I suspect a lot of the Turbo owners on here have never even had the opportunity to drive a 997 GT2. It is really fantastic. I really wasn't that impressed at first, until I took it through some windy roads and realized how amazing it is. Several thousand miles later, it only seems to get better and better as things start to break in and loosen up. Kind of like a top vintage (82/95/00) Chateau Margaux opens up in your glass or decanter after 30 minutes.

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There is one reason that applies to 99% of the population

COST!!!!!!!

The TT is no slouch either in terms of cost, but add 60-70-80k on top of that and then say you're comfortable driving it at the limit at the track. Having any reservations about your car on the track steals all the fun. Also have fun replacing PCCB's on a regular basis.
 
Old Jan 29, 2009 | 10:37 AM
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Thank you. I thought I was living in an alternate reality. I suspect most of us (except those who would prefer a GT-like car) would take a GT-2 over a TT. But wow, they are pricey. From a practical reality, these are not (financially) comparable cars ('would you like a base Carrera or an F430? Hmmm....') and so it's always a bit odd to hear the 'which one would you prefer?' question.
A more reasonable one, and one that touches on gross design center differences is 'GT3 or TT?'. The ultimate 'Ginger or MaryAnn' question. And, the answer to that one is well established
BTW, the new GT3:
http://www.pistonheads.com/news/defa...?storyId=19302
makes this question an even bigger (smaller?) no-brainer.

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There is one reason that applies to 99% of the population

COST!!!!!!!

The TT is no slouch either in terms of cost, but add 60-70-80k on top of that and then say you're comfortable driving it at the limit at the track. Having any reservations about your car on the track steals all the fun. Also have fun replacing PCCB's on a regular basis.
 
Old Jan 29, 2009 | 10:45 AM
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Verde how are you liking your ford GT? I was very close to buyign one before the turbo.
 
Old Jan 29, 2009 | 11:17 AM
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Ahhh, the Ford GT

Well, it's a spectacular car. I've done the pulley/tune upgrade (thus it's likely putting out about 650hp) as well as a transmission cooler and engine compartment halon system. Fast. No, very very fast. Very nicely balanced handling (though the stock tires - the Goodyear F1's - are likely the worst performance tires ever made and the size specs don't allow many other brands to be fitted to the stock rims - the greatest weakness of the car) and reasonable road feel for a wide-tired beast. Oh and perhaps because of my childhood dreams of that car - when they won LeMans - it is the most spectacularly beautiful machine I have ever seen. Every other car pales in comparison to it's visual design. Camilo Pardo is an utter genius and has built a timeless and flawless design. It is a huge loss for Ford to suffer his departure.
OTOH, it's rare and (likely) escalating value makes driving it a bit daunting. With a total of 1700 miles, it's really a garage queen/museum piece. Which doesn't bother me much, but depending on your personality and needs, buying one may not satisfy the need to have a sports car that can be driven at a whim.
The flip side is that it's allowed me to treat my 997S/Cab as a DD which I didn't comfortably do before I bought the GT. As you can tell from my posts, I treat the P-car exceedingly well, but in comparison to the GT, I can treat it like a regular car.
By contrast, the GT also helps illustrate just how outstanding Porsche's, and thus the designers and engineers in Stuttgart, are in fulfilling a wide range of 'missions'. It is exceedingly comfortable and spacious, visibility and seating position is extraordinary for a car with it's performance parameters, is relatively bulletproof (as is the Ford), performance, though a bit less than top-shelf supercars is nearly as good, has a huge ecosystem meaning that parts and mods are near infinite in breadth and accessibility, and resale value is not bad compared to some other cars in its class (e.g. AM's, Jags, Mercs).
I'm lucky enough to have the best of both. A super DD and a museum piece. Still itching to build an Ultima CanAm though. That would surely round out the portfolio.

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Verde how are you liking your ford GT? I was very close to buyign one before the turbo.
 
Old Jan 30, 2009 | 02:03 PM
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Originally Posted by speedART
I would mod a GT2. Bigger VTG-turbocharger, bigger Intercoolers, sport exhaust system with 100 cell catalysts and a sound switch, ECU-upgrade, sport-airfilter, some nice wheels. Thats the dream of mine. Understatement from outside but really a beast inside. Unfortunately not in my budget till yet.
You see, a GT2 costs around 190k -200k, and a turbo would cost new 130k -140k. the difference would be enough to make the TT much more advance than the GT2. For me, I will stick to my TT, if I buy a Gt2, Gt3Rs, those will just be garage queens... nothing more-with the way the economy is doing, that won't happen tho
 
Old Jan 30, 2009 | 02:16 PM
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All I want is a 993 Gt2 forget the 996/997
Did that many people pass on the GT2 because of price or practicality?
It seems price is the easy out, but I do not think that is the case. Especially if you are part of the demographic that mods cars which is like flushing money down the potty.
I keep reading my modded TT is faster. My modded TT is not the same as a stock GT2, it will never be IMO. I also do not think a GT2 should be modded, any more power and its almost not drivable.
So I guess I am one of the few modded Turbo owners that will admit to it
There is more to it then horsepower. I do buy off on how special the Gt2 is and I do think after giving it more thought that given this market I will own one before the year is up.
 
Old Jan 31, 2009 | 06:28 AM
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What would make you think a GT2 is undriveable with more hp? You always have PASM to lean on, but even so we've seen guys here in the real widow maker (996 GT2) that drive 600+ hp 6 GT2's on the track very fast and safely on a regular basis.

The GT2 is definitely more "special" than a modded TT. But from a practicality standpoint if you can use the term, you can get the same usage and speed from a modded TT. It's in the intricate details that you'd HAVE to spend that money to make a TT truly comparable.
 
Old Jan 31, 2009 | 07:48 AM
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HC, it depends on the driver, the 996GT2 would be a handful for some, but in the right hands it can be very quick. with the 997GT2 its the same, there are very few in this forum that can actually use all that power.
What I meant by the Turbo being more advance means that with the 60k difference, you can mod a Turbo to make it more advance than the stock GT2, which I believe is the OPs concern.
 
Old Jan 31, 2009 | 03:49 PM
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When you start moding your car, it never ends. Gt2, out standing OEM parts that you need nothing to it. I would personally save all that modification, money and buy a GT2, if I had that choice.

Here's good explanation of gt2<O

http://www.topspeed.com/cars/porsche-gt2/ke1715.html
 
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Nice video. Too bad Jay Leno doesn't understand how a turbocharger works...
 
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