does anyone know the MSRP of the '10 997TT?

 

$132K and change BASE

 

How does that go...less for more??

 

Exactly like that! You get less of a car for more of your money. I personally would pass on the 2010 Turbo as there is nothing special about it anymore... just a Carrera S with a couple of turbos and related componentry slapped onto its engine. Just my opinion, of course as there are many who will surely buy it. I would consider it only if its price was a reflection of the cost cutting engine they installed in the car - in other words, cheaper.

 

+1000 Totally agree, I would just get a Carrera S and pass on th new turbo. Better yet get a GT3 while it still has a GT1 derived drivetrain, cause you know it's gotta be targeted for termination too!

 

I couldn't agree more with cibergypsy's post. <!-- google_ad_section_end -->

 

You believe that you are getting less because you believe that the new engine may have oil starvation issues and/or may not be as reliable or tunable as the MK1. Time will answer that one.

Then we have people complaining that Porsche should have at least passed on the engine savings to the buyer. Personally, I don't have a problem with Porsche adding to their bottom line if they produce a better product and we won't know if it's a better product until it's been around for a bit.

Can you imagine all the complaining if Porsche did reduce it's turbo pricing, say $10k. 2007-2009's residuals would fall even more. Then current owners would complain that they dropped the price.

It's called evolution. Just because the new engine is a wet or integrated dry sump, does not mean it has any less quality.

 

Hmmm, search engine failure/track/oil starvation then come back and tell us about the quality of the wet sump motors. You cannot even compare the true dry sump motors and the consumer grade stuff. There's a reason they cost so much more. Case in point, a 996 crate motor costs about $8200 while the same 996 TT motor is approx $40K, not a 997 but it gives you a good idea.
I wouldn't call the engine change evolution, more like de-evolution. A move driven by the bean counters and marketing dept. I guess they figure most people don't know the difference, so they can pull a fast one.

 

I didn't mention that my thoughts about the new turbo engine were based on wether or not it had wet, integrated dry sump or dry sump on this thread. It's about engine cost so far. The new engine is far cheaper to manufacture yet the pricing on the new car is higher than previously. Everything depends on your point of view and, in mine, I would pass. "Evolution" implies improvement as in Natural Selection, not regression.

For example, I don't know of anyone who would say the M96/M97 family of engines is of the same or higher quality to the GT1 derived motors. When Porsche changed to water cooling, the normal Carreras, Carrera 4s etc. got an inferior engine which was something that never happened in the air cooled days; back then all 911s had comparable engines albeit in different states of tune, irrespective of them being atmospheric or forced induction. So it's not always that Porsche has evolved into something better than before.

And before I get any negative replies, I am the owner of a 2006 X51 Carrera S and have, therefore, one of the wet sump engines in my car. I came from air cooling into water cooling without prejudice as I had a 944, a 951 and a 968 also and they were great cars too. The issue is about paying more for the 2010 Turbo than previously with a cheaper engine in it. I don't think the prices of the older Turbos would go down if the new Turbo was priced less because there will always be enthusiasts out there that would appreciate and value the 996 Turbo and 997.1 Turbo as it happened, for example, with the venerable 993 Turbo - mind you, I am not comparing a 993 Turbo to a 996 or 997.1 variant, just in case.

There is also a reason why Porsche never raced the M96/M97 engines and the late Paul Frère said in his book about the 911 (if I recall correctly) that the M96 engine was neither developed nor suitable for racing and that Porsche kept the GT1 motor in the GT3 because they probably wanted to go with a proven design. Those are not my words.

 

FWIW...Within 24 hours of the confirmation of the substitution of a "consumer grade" engine for the GT1 in the 2010 turbo, I cancelled my order and requested my deposit be refunded. For the record, I owned a 2005 Carrera S, a 2007 997 turbo, and presently a 2008 turbo. As of this time, it seems very likely the 2008 turbo has a permanent home.

 

I know the difference between dry and wet sumps and the cost of the GT1, etc... My point is simple: time will tell if the next generation engine has troubles or is a better product. It doesn't matter what price disparity there is manufacturing these engines, it is the end result that matters and only the future will tell us that. I have a .2 3 on order with the obvious GT1 engine, so I my opinion is not slanted. It would be easier to believe that my GT1 (likely the last) is the best so that I would feel all warm and fuzzy about it.

 

Who cares if the new car is good enough or not, We like what we have and we play with them and mod them F******k out of them... time will tell but until them screw the 2010 cars

 

hoping that is not the case and they bring the 4.0L to market. RSR form capable of 570hp @ 9800rpms!!!!!! won't hold my breath though, now that VW is in charge. i agree the demise of the GT3/RS/GT2 is in our future. HEAVEN HELP US!

 

funny how ferrari and lambo missed out on that "integrated dry sump" technology?

 

As long as the car is under factory warranty i dont see a major concern in worrying about the engine unless it is modded or heavily tracked.