Well that depends on how one defines "all that he needs" .

 

I just bought a 07 911 TT w/ PCCB. Does it have the 1st generation or 2nd generation brakes?

 

Gen 2

 

If you can afford it, it's a neat "gee whiz" option.

With that being said, I would just get the steel brakes and have your calipers powder coated yellow if it's more about the look for you. The stock brakes work fine, on the street or track. Yes, you will get dust but it washes right off. For those concerned about rust after washing, that's easy. Either hit them with a leaf blower... Or, take a quick ride down the street riding the brakes for about 10 seconds after you wash the car. Problem solved

Actually, the stock brakes work fine even on modded cars as long as you're staying on the street. I don't buy into the theory that if you add some HP, you need to upgrade your brakes if it's just street driving. It's not a bad idea, but hardly necessary. You can't generate anywhere near the speed/heat during street driving that you can on the track.

With that being said, if you upgrade the HP and you track the car, you will most certainly need to upgrade the brakes. I added around 200 hp to my 996 and never once had a problem on the street with stopping or fade. Ever. I never even considered a brake upgrade. However, I boiled the fluid in my brakes on my first two track days. I still didn't have to upgrade the calipers and rotors to fix that. Just some SS lines, performance pads, performance fluid, and bigger brake ducts did the trick. No problems now. I run three sessions a day without an ounce of fade.

 

ceramics have gone mainstream

I just saw a late 80's buick/ols/chevy?? with landau roof with the front rotors and the rear drums painted YELLOW.

 

that is not a bad idea, it is all about the look. If I go with steel brakes, I will get a red dial and red seat belt. I am thinking yellow will be cool because to differentiate it more from the C2S I had. I am not a handy person, how involve is removing the calipers and get to powder coated? If I go thru with this, I will be worry taking my brand new turbo to someplace for them to remove and paint the brakes and install it.... Will the new paint stay? or chip easily?

 

; } I don’t think any one here need a turbo. Certainly not me. I will be plenty happy with a C2S, 4S. but I will die for a turbo !

 

I love the PCCB threads. Clearly two camps, split up again depending on how you bought your car. Those who bought new and ordered their car had to make a decision. I find it hard to believe one would cheap out on brakes, but hey it's your car. Those who bought used tend to search and search for that perfect car, PCCBs might not be a high priority. Is it just simply the case that a guy buying a Porsche is too cheap to step up to the plate? Or is it most guys don't really drive their cars hard enough to notice? Or is it those on this board are trackers and we all know how cheap you tend to get once you live and die for track days
The truth is and always will be there is no comparison. The reds are not as good, can't even come close and we shouldn't pretend they are. Do your self a favor and drive them back to back and really push the brakes. If you can't tell a difference, please go buy that MB or BMW
These threads need to be better stated. Track cars have different needs and the pocket book makes that decision. CCBs are here to stay and will continue to drop in price making them more affordable. They are by far the best brakes I have used and this includes every big brake kit from the large aftermarket players. I would take Alcon's 25k kit, but lets compare apples to apples.

 

haha... yea... OR,

You know you were going to track it and didn't want to put up with chewed up rotors (yes, the second gens also have this problem), and talked to the techs who also said the irons last longer and are more reliable for track use.

 

I have had 3 997 Turbos with Carbon Ceramic brakes. On the last 2 I owned, I took them off, replaced them with steel, and then put them back on for trade-in or sale.

The standard Porsche brakes are overkill for the cars - that's one of the distinguishing features of 911s - they come with great brake horsepower.

Brembo 'Big Red' brake kits are not the same as the expensive Brembo 8 piston GTR brakes. The GTR brakes are better than the carbon ceramic, fade less after mutiple laps, and the replacement costs are much less than the $$$$k per wheel for carbon ceramics (although the up front cost of buying GTRs is high).

I know of no pro racer (not club racing) who uses carbon ceramics, unless they have money to burn. The steel brakes that come with your Porsche are fine.

 

You bring up some very good points, including the last one that I highlighted.
However, the discussion here is not about whether the standard brake is fine, but whether PCCB is better.

The answer is of course yes, PCCB is better with respect to at least 2 important parameters, unsprung weight and initial bite.

I also agree though that the initial cost is high and replacement cost prohibitive. Bottom line: There is no wrong or right. It comes down to an individual decision for each of us: PCCB is better, but is it worth it?
My answer has always been: PCCB, an unnecessary but absolutely wonderful luxury.

 

i'm wondering if at some point you won't have a choice? CCB's were an option on the F430 but became standard equipment. I'm sure they're std. on the 458 Italia

Are they standard on the GT2 or can you get big reds?

 

I understand that PCCB are the lightest out of any brakes you can get on the 997TT, but is the saving in weight noticeable?

the reason I'm asking is If someone is buying a new RS (maybe me ) performance wise, is it better to go with PCCB or get big reds then replace it with some brambo's ? regardless the cost

 

Had PCCB's om ny 05 C2S and loved them on and off track, now have an 08 Turbo w/o PCCB's and missing them. Also if you dont get Total 911 magazine, you might check out an article they ran a few months ago. They had an in depth two part article on PCCB's that is a must for anyone thinking about them.