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Old Oct 19, 2009 | 07:36 PM
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LOL marginally better than a C6 which is widely regarded as one of the worst interiors evar!!!!! The design is nice, but the stuff in it is typical GM, cheap. How about the pleather seats, are those marginally better in the Porsche too? With REAL leather.

I mean come on guys, lets at least be real here. Same seats and interior in a C6, Z06, ZR-1. So a base C6 interior is as quality as a 996 TT interior. You guys wouldn't get much backup for that one.

This is beyond laughable that the two are even compared. I'll admit I like the presence of the Corvette interior, and the feel of it, but it's still very cheap plastics everywhere and isn't even remotely comparable to a 996 of any kind.

Let any body shop tell you about the tolerances between GM and Porsche and how sometimes you can't even get the right alignment in a Z06 because the alignment of the chassis is off by so much. And how many GT1 motors do you see just blowing up like the Z06's stock and modded, sunroofs anyone? Let any mechanic that's taken apart both cars tell you which car is built better. You won't find anyone anywhere that would call the two on the same planet unless they work for GM.

THAT my friends is why a Porsche Turbo costs so much more, that and Porsche only makes a few thousand cars a year. I'll be the first to say I don't think Porsche Turbos are worth 130k. But it's not because of the interior, or build quality, which is as good as ANYONE!
 

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You guys are entitled to your opinion and I'll leave it at that. All I can say is that I'm speaking from MY experiences with both cars.

A 996tt is not worth $125K. It was an $85K car at best back then. It cost $55K more then than a Z06 costs today. My wife was riding in my old 996tt and her quote was "where is the hell is there $125K for this car?" I said it certianly aint on the inside and that emblem on the hood costs some bucks. Obviously, some of that was said tongue in cheek. FOr the most part, I do appreciate the build quality of the cars....even though my 997s seatbacks rattle, the clutch sqweeks and the dash rattles under the sport chrono wart.

Having said what I just said, at today's prices a 996tt is quite a bargain.....that's if you can get past the look of the fried egg headlights and the dated interior design.

I'd pony up more for the 997tt if I wanted an FI Porsche. But personally, if I'm going to spend $80-90K on a car today, I'm getting a CLK 63AMG Black Series.
 
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A car is worth whatever people are willing to pay and there are a lot of people out there that paid for new TT's and still are so that makes both of us wrong.

The 996 TT back then was worth 85k? Worth less than an E39 M5, Audi RS4, about the same as an E55. Hahahahaah I didn't think you could top the marginally better interior than a C6 but you just did.

And then you go and compare a yesterday's car with today's prices to top it off.

Don't be surprised if your opinion value takes a hit.
 
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Originally Posted by heavychevy
A car is worth whatever people are willing to pay and there are a lot of people out there that paid for new TT's and still are so that makes both of us wrong.

The 996 TT back then was worth 85k? Worth less than an E39 M5, Audi RS4, about the same as an E55. Hahahahaah I didn't think you could top the marginally better interior than a C6 but you just did.

And then you go and compare a yesterday's car with today's prices to top it off.

Don't be surprised if your opinion value takes a hit.
Yes, there are people buying brand new TT's today....at $20-30K+ below MSRP.

First, an 03-04 e39 was a high $60's low $70's car brand new
An RS4 wasn't even readily available in 03-04
An e55 was a high $60's car brand new in 03-04

The whole reason for making the point was to illustrate how much more a "dated" car (996tt) cost brand new in '03-04 to a modern car today (Z06).

Porsche still had those 996 interiors in many of their vehicles in 2005.

If you really think that any 996 interior is better than a comparable model year Lexus then you need to get off the Porsche ******* more than I originally thought.

Trust me, I think Porsche makes a phenominal car. I'd never again buy one brand new though. They are just overpriced TO ME. There are facts in my posts and then there are my OPINIONS. The "overpriced" comment is MY OPINON.

Don't let your fanboi ideology get in the way of rational thinking.
 

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Old Oct 20, 2009 | 05:32 AM
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No smart guy, people are still paying 130k for new Turbos unless you are saying the new turbo IS actually worth 130k..........

Is that what you're saying, the new Turbo is worth 50k more than the old one? People may pay 20k below a a crazy optioned 997 TT now that there is a new model out and there is an economoc slump, but guess what the 997.2 MSRP is and what people will be paying for it.

And show me someone who paid 20-30k below a base MSRP in other words 110 to 100k.


In case you didn't know the 996 TT ran for more than 03 and 04 so I don't know why you zeroed in on those years.


You're still trying to recover from the C6 interior is almost equal to 996 TT interior, I understand, but you are still way behind on the opinion charts with the statements you've made.

This has nothing to do with *******, I've said before that as cheap as my C5 vette interior was, it had more presence than the 996TT interior, does that mean it's as quality. Maybe in your convoluted description it does, but not in the real world.

Your opinion gave me a good laugh though, thanks.

Originally Posted by amerlemans
Yes, there are people buying brand new TT's today....at $20-30K+ below MSRP.

First, an 03-04 e39 was a high $60's low $70's car brand new
An RS4 wasn't even readily available in 03-04
An e55 was a high $60's car brand new in 03-04

The whole reason for making the point was to illustrate how much more a "dated" car (996tt) cost brand new in '03-04 to a modern car today (Z06).

Porsche still had those 996 interiors in many of their vehicles in 2005.

If you really think that any 996 interior is better than a comparable model year Lexus then you need to get off the Porsche ******* more than I originally thought.

Trust me, I think Porsche makes a phenominal car. I'd never again buy one brand new though. They are just overpriced TO ME. There are facts in my posts and then there are my OPINIONS. The "overpriced" comment is MY OPINON.

Don't let your fanboi ideology get in the way of rational thinking.
 
Old Oct 20, 2009 | 06:34 AM
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Way to rebut all of your blatant mistruths about the M5, RS4, E55.

There in no denying that you are one of the biggest Porsche fanbois on here.

And no, I'm not saying that the 997tt is worth $130K. I'm just telling you that people aren't paying that for them now. Just to clarify, that isn't because they wouldn't pay $130K...its just Porsche is discounting cars like never before re: economy.

I am alsonot arguing that people will pay what they are willing to pay....that doesn't make it "worth it". If that was the case then you'd have to say all the idiots that paid MSRP+$25-30K for an '06 Z06 paid that because it was "worth it". Correct?

I'm quite aware, Mr. Porsche, the length of time that the 996tt ran. I chose the years closer to the middle to be as fair as I could.

My final statement on the issue is this --- The 996tt interior is WEAK and is only marginal better in terms of "parts". For Christsake, the leather covering the dash is paper thin and hard as a rock.

I am not saying that a 996tt and a C6Z06 have comparable build quality. Like I said before, it's obvious the 996tt is a well built car....it just is not a $125K car then and absolutely not today.

As far as laughter goes, I always get a good laugh out of your incessant blasting of all things that don't come equipeed with the Porsche crest on the hood.

The funniest of all is your Screename ---I suppose that was made when you had your C5Z and at that point you were swinging on the Vette *******. You should change your name to "MoreahhPoorsha".

Thanks, Joe Porsche
 

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Throw a few mods on the z and well see what happens
 
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Throw a few mods on the z and well see what happens
Throw a few mods on the gt2 and see what happens lol.
 
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Wow, lots of heavy emotion here and definitely a lot of tension. I'm new to this forum and don't want to offend anyone and I also haven't owned the cars you guys have (although I have been "around" a lot of supercars thanks to my Bro-n-law), so I realize my opinion may not have a lot of credibility with you, but here goes:

In my opinion....I do feel the porsche interior is understated, dare I say "simple", but has good quality feel. Aesthetics don't wow you, but I do get the sense of simple, quality elegance.

I do have a friend who has a Z06 and I also looked at a used one at a dealership. The interior had more going on than the porsche (again, in my opinion) but it did feel cheap. The plastic looked cheap and as I sat there and stared at it, touched it, etc...I felt like the *****/dials would easily come off.

Yes, price difference is noted and taken into account. I guess my statement is the porsche is quality but it does not have a lot going on. There is a difference between the two, and I wonder if those who are bashing the porsche interior are more caught up in the wow factor than they are the quality factor.

I'm not looking to make any enemies, but I came at this opinion very objectively based on my personal experience, and I was at that notion before i knew this thread existed.
 
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News Flash, when you only sell 30-40k or so cars (US) a year, you have to charge quite a bit for the car.

What do you think would happen if Corvette branched on it's own which was actually considered during GM's bankrupcty.........

In case you didn't notice I was the first one to say something about the ignorant bashing of the Corvette that took place at the onset of this thread. That being said, if I see a lame duck I shoot it down and some of your comments make me wonder if you've ever sat in either to compare the two. The one thing that's for sure is that your opinion doesn't reflect the majority.

If by blasting of all things not Porsche you mean a C6Z's interior and reliability and calling the TT peers with lexus in any fashion, then yeah, label me a fanboy. But that still doesn't make your words so clear with your foot clearly in your mouth.


C6Z interior = 996 TT interior.


Originally Posted by amerlemans
Way to rebut all of your blatant mistruths about the M5, RS4, E55.

There in no denying that you are one of the biggest Porsche fanbois on here.

And no, I'm not saying that the 997tt is worth $130K. I'm just telling you that people aren't paying that for them now. Just to clarify, that isn't because they wouldn't pay $130K...its just Porsche is discounting cars like never before re: economy.

I am alsonot arguing that people will pay what they are willing to pay....that doesn't make it "worth it". If that was the case then you'd have to say all the idiots that paid MSRP+$25-30K for an '06 Z06 paid that because it was "worth it". Correct?

I'm quite aware, Mr. Porsche, the length of time that the 996tt ran. I chose the years closer to the middle to be as fair as I could.

My final statement on the issue is this --- The 996tt interior is WEAK and is only marginal better in terms of "parts". For Christsake, the leather covering the dash is paper thin and hard as a rock.

I am not saying that a 996tt and a C6Z06 have comparable build quality. Like I said before, it's obvious the 996tt is a well built car....it just is not a $125K car then and absolutely not today.

As far as laughter goes, I always get a good laugh out of your incessant blasting of all things that don't come equipeed with the Porsche crest on the hood.

The funniest of all is your Screename ---I suppose that was made when you had your C5Z and at that point you were swinging on the Vette *******. You should change your name to "MoreahhPoorsha".

Thanks, Joe Porsche
 
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Originally Posted by 80shilling
having owned both, I can tell you that the Corvette interior isn't even CLOSE to my 996 GT2 interior.. Full leather, Alcantara headliner, aluminum trim, painted seatbacks and tunnel...
That does look better than most C6 Corvettes I've sat in, but it's mostly due to the color IMO. Corvettes tend to have a pretty dismal color selection, and some of their factory upgraded color options are simply puzzling. Design-wise, I think the C6 is more than a match for the 996. With a re-done interior, it's quite nice. The car won't cost anywhere near what a GT2 cost, but there are other reasons why Porsches cost that much; it sure isn't all in the interior.


Are all of those silver bits in the GT2 interior real aluminum or just painted Aluma-Look plastic? I know in BMWs, even the bottom-rung 1-Series, the trim is real aluminum and is likely the same for Mercedes and Audi. Higher-end MB's of the time had an interior easily better than the 996 of the time IMO, and today's BMW/Audi/MB are even nicer looking still. The 996 interior has been criticized here and on other forums by owners and potential buyers alike; I believe Porsche improved the quality during the facelift models (and on Boxsters) to address this very issue.
 
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Originally Posted by heavychevy
The 996 TT back then was worth 85k? Don't be surprised if your opinion value takes a hit.
I’m sorry heavy, but you're beginning to act like a fan boy to the 100th degree. The man just came in here and told you about how he AND his wife thought the 996 interior was some trash for $125,000, and here you are trying to belittle him with your typical forum double speak.

There have been more than enough people here that have come clean about the 996 interior. WE HAVE EYES and have certain expectations for ONE HUNDRED AND TWENTY FIVE THOUSAND DOLLARS. When you sit in a 996TT absolutely nothing about it blows you away, much less says that your sitting in 125k worth of opulent advanced design. The guy said there was way too much plastic abound in his 996, and you just want to gloss over what he mentioned?



Heavy, is THIS is what you are defending???? Are you THAT much of a fanboy???

WE HAVE EYES HEAVY! YOU CANT DEBATE US IN CIRCLES WITH WITTY COMMENTS AND EXPECT US TO DENY WHAT OUR OWN VISION TELLS US.


Originally Posted by heavychevy
And when your plastic dash starts to fade while my leather one still looks fresh then you can call my interior crap. Check back on one in about 4 years and see what's still hanging together in the car.



Yeah, because the 100k the 996 cost made it impervious to the effects of time.

Heavy, you would argue almost anything in favor of Porsche. You've become a fan boy...HARDCORE

No amount of emoticons and forum hyperbole you peddle can rationalize these interiors costing 125k. My god just look at them. Who are you trying to fool? A blind man?
 
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That does look better than most C6 Corvettes I've sat in, but it's mostly due to the color IMO. Corvettes tend to have a pretty dismal color selection, and some of their factory upgraded color options are simply puzzling. Design-wise, I think the C6 is more than a match for the 996. With a re-done interior, it's quite nice. The car won't cost anywhere near what a GT2 cost, but there are other reasons why Porsches cost that much; it sure isn't all in the interior.


Are all of those silver bits in the GT2 interior real aluminum or just painted Aluma-Look plastic? I know in BMWs, even the bottom-rung 1-Series, the trim is real aluminum and is likely the same for Mercedes and Audi. Higher-end MB's of the time had an interior easily better than the 996 of the time IMO, and today's BMW/Audi/MB are even nicer looking still. The 996 interior has been criticized here and on other forums by owners and potential buyers alike; I believe Porsche improved the quality during the facelift models (and on Boxsters) to address this very issue.
All the trim pieces are aluminum, including the door handles... the seat backs and the tunnel are obviously not and come painted from the factory as an option... I can tell you one thing... My interior is quite a bit nicer than my friend's new Audi R8 interior, even he agrees on that point... And as I have previously stated, the Z06 wasn't even in the same ballpark.. The Porsche's leather is better, the fit and finish are miles better, the z06 seats are utter junk and are flimsy and loose, the z06's gearchange is horrendous and agricultural, the quality of the Z06's buttons and switchgear is a joke and they are terribly plasticky... the z06 makes all sorts of squeaks, moans and rubbing sounds and doesn't have the chassis ridgidity that my GT2 has.. I had to put a ton of money into getting the Z06's suspension sorted out, as the rear shocks came with way too little rebound damping.. the rear bushings are notorious for being very soft and they deform badly, throwing the geometry way out in a track situation, so I had to replace them with delrin bushings which ruined the ride quality..

The Z06 on the positive side is a screaming performance bargain, has a quite brilliant engine and handles very well until you take it to the track and drive it hard at which point it starts to really show it's limitations. I loved that Z06, but in the end, I couldn't live with the interior and the lack of build quality. After owning it for three years, it was really starting to show it's age VERY badly.. On the other hand, the GT2 which is an older Car is literally indistinguishable from new.. solid, no noises, all the electronics work perfectly, none of the ***** have fallen off (in the Corvette they did!)..

In the end, the Z06 is perfect for what it's designed to be, but it just doesn't come close to the Porsche (even my "lowly" 996 model).
 
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