996TT X50 or 997TT
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Yes Doug probably so, I could have easily missunderstood the conversation I was having when it was said. I will say I remember being told that Porsche had switched, honestly I'm probably wrong on the what. Thanks for the info.
No worries. Doesn't the X50 have beefed up internals over the non X50 motors? I thought I read that somewhere. I almost bought a Silver TTS in 2005, with the 444HP X50 engine, I could kick myself now...that was a nice car!
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Doug, Originally Posted by TT Gasman
No worries. Doesn't the X50 have beefed up internals over the non X50 motors? I thought I read that somewhere. I almost bought a Silver TTS in 2005, with the 444HP X50 engine, I could kick myself now...that was a nice car!
X50 had upgraded turbos, air intake cooler, electronic control unit,
exhaust system (although they looked the same to me?!?), upgraded transmission.
Engine was still the same.
- bob
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100% correct. The 997 has better breathing cams and heads. It also has a much better fuel system.Originally Posted by TT Gasman
I think you're confused about the 997TT. The 2007-9 997.1TT are true dry sumps and have a traditional GT1 split case. The 997TT supposedly has better internals, but I do not know that for a fact.
Again thanks for the info Doug. The X50 ( from what I know ) K24/16 turbos, GT-2 inter coolers, and different ECU map. The standard tranny was better then the regular TT but I'm told the Tip ( mine ) is the same. I've read here on 6speed that the exhaust is the same on the TT, X50, and the GT2.
As far as this car, it is Awesome. I can't believe I got 1, especially for the price of a regular 996TT.
As far as this car, it is Awesome. I can't believe I got 1, especially for the price of a regular 996TT.
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The traction control system on the 997 uses a viscous clutch, that can open or close in just 100 milliseconds, to shunt power between front and rear axles. The ability to shift power between the front and rear axles is superior to the viscous coupling system on the 996.
The 997's PTM also consists of an electronically controlled center differential lock, which acticely controls torque distribution. The PTM control unit under the rear seat shelf evaluates wheel speeds independently lateral and longitudinal acceleration in relationship to steering angle. It works in conjunction with the optional rear differential lock. It is far less intrusive than the active system in the 996.
What this ultimately translates into is a more RWD biased 997, which is better equipped to manage slip than the 996. No suspension modification can overcome this difference in the two cars.
- bob
True but pure marketing BS, which in the real world translates to ZERO faster driving. To the original poster; on the road the 997TT rides plusher than the 996TT and understeers more on the limit. Forget about the sport button it does nothing apart from making the exhaust "louder". The steering wheel is really vague in comparison to the 996TT with a serious dead spot in the centre. When you drive the two cars back to back pay attention when steering left right by small amount from the centre and observe how 996TT will be reacting immediately whilst 997TT’s steering has a 5mm dead spot left/right where nothing happens. The rear bias is 95% to the rear in both cars until there is need for 4 wheel drive where 997TT is able to transfer more than 40% to the front’s and granted can transfer this quicker. Now can you really tell the difference between 100ms or 300ms response time? Well I guess superman can and even this would heavily depend on the size of his breakfast. But this is exactly what I really don’t want, as I want my car to stay rear biased for longer and really don’t want it in any case to become 100% front wheel drive car. However it could be argued that 997TT is more useful in the snow and extreme wet conditions – but how measurable this is, remains the big question!Originally Posted by bbywu
If you are still undecided, ignore the powerplant for both vehicles and focus on the change in the AWD system. It is probably the single most important change between the two cars.The traction control system on the 997 uses a viscous clutch, that can open or close in just 100 milliseconds, to shunt power between front and rear axles. The ability to shift power between the front and rear axles is superior to the viscous coupling system on the 996.
The 997's PTM also consists of an electronically controlled center differential lock, which acticely controls torque distribution. The PTM control unit under the rear seat shelf evaluates wheel speeds independently lateral and longitudinal acceleration in relationship to steering angle. It works in conjunction with the optional rear differential lock. It is far less intrusive than the active system in the 996.
What this ultimately translates into is a more RWD biased 997, which is better equipped to manage slip than the 996. No suspension modification can overcome this difference in the two cars.
- bob
Don't all the 997 TT's come with LSD's as well? Or was it optional? A 996 TT still has an OPEN DIFF!!!!!
I agree about the marketing BS, the 997 TT launches WAY better, but that's about it. The AWD change has not shown to be beneficial to handling. In fact the handling reviews of the 997.1 have been consistently mediocre to bad. Some of which may have been alignment problems, but certainly not all of them. The 996 TT suffered from understeer that is easily remedied with a stiff sway bar and some stickier tires.
I'd wager an X-50 with a GT2 sway bar and the same tires would be faster around most tracks than the 997.1 TT.
I agree about the marketing BS, the 997 TT launches WAY better, but that's about it. The AWD change has not shown to be beneficial to handling. In fact the handling reviews of the 997.1 have been consistently mediocre to bad. Some of which may have been alignment problems, but certainly not all of them. The 996 TT suffered from understeer that is easily remedied with a stiff sway bar and some stickier tires.
I'd wager an X-50 with a GT2 sway bar and the same tires would be faster around most tracks than the 997.1 TT.
997.1TT are the last of the split case motors. Chances are they will retain value better than a 996TTX50. (Look at the values of 993na cars compared to 996na cars as an example). If you can afford it get the 997TT, but don't view the 996TTX50 as some kind of also ran. It is fast, very easy to modify (esp the suspension) and very affordable. It doesn't have the sexy retro styling of the 997TT but is still one of the best of the breed.
Judging by the plumit of 997.1 TT values, they will not hold value very well. 996 TTS's were still selling for 70-80k+ into late 2006, early 07 as 5-6 year old cars. The 997.1's are there after only 2-3 years
Not looking so good for them right now.
Not looking so good for them right now.
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I agree about the marketing BS, the 997 TT launches WAY better, but that's about it. The AWD change has not shown to be beneficial to handling. In fact the handling reviews of the 997.1 have been consistently mediocre to bad. Some of which may have been alignment problems, but certainly not all of them. The 996 TT suffered from understeer that is easily remedied with a stiff sway bar and some stickier tires.
I'd wager an X-50 with a GT2 sway bar and the same tires would be faster around most tracks than the 997.1 TT.
Dez, the LSD is optional on the 997. But I would argue the AWD is substantially better in hazard conditions...snow, rain, ice (which I have to deal with almost 6 months out of a year.) There is a considerable difference in driving dynamics for the 997TT in those conditions.Originally Posted by heavychevy
Don't all the 997 TT's come with LSD's as well? Or was it optional? A 996 TT still has an OPEN DIFF!!!!! I agree about the marketing BS, the 997 TT launches WAY better, but that's about it. The AWD change has not shown to be beneficial to handling. In fact the handling reviews of the 997.1 have been consistently mediocre to bad. Some of which may have been alignment problems, but certainly not all of them. The 996 TT suffered from understeer that is easily remedied with a stiff sway bar and some stickier tires.
I'd wager an X-50 with a GT2 sway bar and the same tires would be faster around most tracks than the 997.1 TT.
bob
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Thanks. Can the 997 fuel system be retrofitted to a 996TT? Originally Posted by Divexxtreme
100% correct. The 997 has better breathing cams and heads. It also has a much better fuel system.
The reason I could kick myself because the dealer was practically giving away that leftover TTS in '05, the next year I ordered the 997TT for sticker.
Good discussion....
996TT owner here, have owned my car 4.5 years.
If money is no object or a lesser consideration, I'd go 997TT every time.......as long as it is a '07-'09 model. I don't trust the new engine, and with recent company engine issues I would avoid it for at least 5 years of real world feedback.
But if the $45k difference is meaningful, now you have a horse race.
996TT owner here, have owned my car 4.5 years.
If money is no object or a lesser consideration, I'd go 997TT every time.......as long as it is a '07-'09 model. I don't trust the new engine, and with recent company engine issues I would avoid it for at least 5 years of real world feedback.
But if the $45k difference is meaningful, now you have a horse race.
[quote=Terminator;2747818]True but pure marketing BS, which in the real world translates to ZERO faster driving. Forget about the sport button it does nothing apart from making the exhaust "louder".
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Not so sure about that "louder exhaust" bit.
I have Sport C on my 997tt and I sure wish it made the exhaust louder.
It may have saved the money on that tubi Ive stuck on (joking, it needed an exhaust to rid that awfull stock note).
The Sport C mode def gives more boost (1.bar on normal mode, 1.2 on Sports) and more power, also sharpens throttle response so.. thats not what i would call nothing
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Not so sure about that "louder exhaust" bit.
I have Sport C on my 997tt and I sure wish it made the exhaust louder.It may have saved the money on that tubi Ive stuck on (joking, it needed an exhaust to rid that awfull stock note).
The Sport C mode def gives more boost (1.bar on normal mode, 1.2 on Sports) and more power, also sharpens throttle response so.. thats not what i would call nothing
.[quote=Shark01;2748966]Good discussion....
996TT owner here, have owned my car 4.5 years.
If money is no object or a lesser consideration, I'd go 997TT every time.......as long as it is a '07-'09 model.
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Hey, careful there Shark01, that kind of talk may see you booted of the 996tt forum (joking).
996TT owner here, have owned my car 4.5 years.
If money is no object or a lesser consideration, I'd go 997TT every time.......as long as it is a '07-'09 model.
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Hey, careful there Shark01, that kind of talk may see you booted of the 996tt forum (joking)
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Not looking so good for them right now.
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Judging by the plumit of 997.1 TT values, they will not hold value very well. 996 TTS's were still selling for 70-80k+ into late 2006, early 07 as 5-6 year old cars. The 997.1's are there after only 2-3 yearsNot looking so good for them right now.
Well if prices of the 997tt's are on the bottom in 996tt price teritorry, then nows the time for that 997tt!!. No sense paying the same money for yesterdays news
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