New clutch required?
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Got my car back today.
Observations:
1.No change in effort to press in the clutch pedal.
2.Clutch engagement is earlier/lower then OEM which is later/higher in clutch pedal travel.
Stalled the care 3 times at the dealership and not again, leg had to learn the new engagement point.
3.There is clutch chatter/gear whine in lower rpm's, I kind of like it.
4.Cars revs quicker and feels livelier.
That is it so far.
Observations:
1.No change in effort to press in the clutch pedal.
2.Clutch engagement is earlier/lower then OEM which is later/higher in clutch pedal travel.
Stalled the care 3 times at the dealership and not again, leg had to learn the new engagement point.
3.There is clutch chatter/gear whine in lower rpm's, I kind of like it.
4.Cars revs quicker and feels livelier.
That is it so far.
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Got my car back today.
Observations:
1.No change in effort to press in the clutch pedal.
2.Clutch engagement is earlier/lower then OEM which is later/higher in clutch pedal travel.
Stalled the care 3 times at the dealership and not again, leg had to learn the new engagement point.
3.There is clutch chatter/gear whine in lower rpm's, I kind of like it.
4.Cars revs quicker and feels livelier.
That is it so far.
Observations:
1.No change in effort to press in the clutch pedal.
2.Clutch engagement is earlier/lower then OEM which is later/higher in clutch pedal travel.
Stalled the care 3 times at the dealership and not again, leg had to learn the new engagement point.
3.There is clutch chatter/gear whine in lower rpm's, I kind of like it.
4.Cars revs quicker and feels livelier.
That is it so far.
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the pulley will share similar (albeit lesser degree) rev effects as to a LWFW..quicker revs and free up some acceleration from less rotational mass.
can some one answer to harmonic balancer disruption if any?
can some one answer to harmonic balancer disruption if any?
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Fully broke in the clutch.
The clatter at idle has really quietened down.
I could hear it before in standard mode with A/C on, now I have to
try to hear for it.
Did a couple of hard pulls in sport mode and no more clutch slip, before
past 3200 rpm the clutch would slip the tach would fly to 6k rpm.
Overall I am 100% happy with my LWFW/Clutch combo.
I was apprehensive about going the LWFW route and was leaning towards
the Sachs 2.5 kit due reading reviews about clatter, this has been put to rest.
Kudos to Todd/Protomotive for steering me down this path.
This kit is about $500 more then comparable LWFW/Clutch kit combo's from other vendors.
This is the kit to get if you are going the LWFW/Clutch route.
The clatter at idle has really quietened down.
I could hear it before in standard mode with A/C on, now I have to
try to hear for it.
Did a couple of hard pulls in sport mode and no more clutch slip, before
past 3200 rpm the clutch would slip the tach would fly to 6k rpm.
Overall I am 100% happy with my LWFW/Clutch combo.
I was apprehensive about going the LWFW route and was leaning towards
the Sachs 2.5 kit due reading reviews about clatter, this has been put to rest.
Kudos to Todd/Protomotive for steering me down this path.
This kit is about $500 more then comparable LWFW/Clutch kit combo's from other vendors.
This is the kit to get if you are going the LWFW/Clutch route.
Got my car back today.
Observations:
1.No change in effort to press in the clutch pedal.
2.Clutch engagement is earlier/lower then OEM which is later/higher in clutch pedal travel.
Stalled the care 3 times at the dealership and not again, leg had to learn the new engagement point.
3.There is clutch chatter/gear whine in lower rpm's, I kind of like it.
4.Cars revs quicker and feels livelier.
That is it so far.
Observations:
1.No change in effort to press in the clutch pedal.
2.Clutch engagement is earlier/lower then OEM which is later/higher in clutch pedal travel.
Stalled the care 3 times at the dealership and not again, leg had to learn the new engagement point.
3.There is clutch chatter/gear whine in lower rpm's, I kind of like it.
4.Cars revs quicker and feels livelier.
That is it so far.
Last edited by venkatreddytx; Sep 19, 2010 at 02:11 PM.
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Fully broke in the clutch.
The clatter at idle has really quietened down.
I could hear it before in standard mode with A/C on, now I have to
try to hear for it.
Did a couple of hard pulls in sport mode and no more clutch slip, before
past 3200 rpm the clutch would slip the tach would fly to 6k rpm.
Overall I am 100% happy with my LWFW/Clutch combo.
I was apprehensive about going the LWFW route and was leaning towards
the Sachs 2.5 kit due reading reviews about clatter, this has been put to rest.
Kudos to Todd/Protomotive for steering me down this path.
This kit is about $500 more then comparable LWFW/Clutch kit combo's from other vendors.
This is the kit to get if you are going the LWFW/Clutch route.
The clatter at idle has really quietened down.
I could hear it before in standard mode with A/C on, now I have to
try to hear for it.
Did a couple of hard pulls in sport mode and no more clutch slip, before
past 3200 rpm the clutch would slip the tach would fly to 6k rpm.
Overall I am 100% happy with my LWFW/Clutch combo.
I was apprehensive about going the LWFW route and was leaning towards
the Sachs 2.5 kit due reading reviews about clatter, this has been put to rest.
Kudos to Todd/Protomotive for steering me down this path.
This kit is about $500 more then comparable LWFW/Clutch kit combo's from other vendors.
This is the kit to get if you are going the LWFW/Clutch route.
bob
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Bob
I did post earlier in the thread, here they are
Kit consists of
GT3RS lwfw 964.102.239.31
GT3RS Clutch Disk(Sprung) 996 116 015 32
Stage3 PP 88 3082 999 764
release bearing, pilot bearing, ring gear, bolts etc.
I did post earlier in the thread, here they are
Kit consists of
GT3RS lwfw 964.102.239.31
GT3RS Clutch Disk(Sprung) 996 116 015 32
Stage3 PP 88 3082 999 764
release bearing, pilot bearing, ring gear, bolts etc.
Last edited by venkatreddytx; Sep 19, 2010 at 02:31 PM.
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Thanks. Below is a table from Sachs showing the rating of the 2 pressure plates, I assume one is of the stage 2 xxxxx752 (torque rating 544 lb-ft with organic disc), and the other one which Gene upgraded to, xxxxx764 (rating 659 lb-ft).
It seems from reading Gene's post https://www.6speedonline.com/forums/...utch-feel.html , he re-used the OEM clutch disc (as opposed to using Sachs xxxxx973)? Is that possible?
Mike, which pressure plate did you use that didn't hold up with your stage 2, xxxx752 or xxxx764?
It seems from reading Gene's post https://www.6speedonline.com/forums/...utch-feel.html , he re-used the OEM clutch disc (as opposed to using Sachs xxxxx973)? Is that possible?
Mike, which pressure plate did you use that didn't hold up with your stage 2, xxxx752 or xxxx764?
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I had the same question a while back so I contacted Sachs. The engineer that I spoke with told me the numbers include a "safety" factor but did not say by how much. And yes, those are crank numbers.
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I never contacted the Sachs engineer but was just wondering if the numbers to the right in the chart indicate the MAX torque the clutch combos can take (i.e. 1050Nm/777lbft for the xxx764 pp)?