Germeezy1 & Speed21,

Guys,

I stopped by P dealer and had a chat with them regarding the oil temperatures.

They said not to be overly concerned and that the temperature will not reach the max of 150. At most, it will hover around 120-130. I personally never saw anything above ~125 degrees, but I back off at that point.

I asked if at that point I should continue to back off and let it cool down when it reaches 120-130, especially that it doesn't take much effort to get it up to those levels.

They said, and I quote, "thrash it, don't worry about it".

I then asked if something does go wrong while "thrashing it", what's the warranty implications as a result of this thrashing?

They said, as long as the car is stock, is maintained as per Porsche standards and at the dealership and remains within warranty period, warranty claims will not be challenged as a result of driving style alone.

This conversation is with the warranties manager at the dealership. The guy is a right proper car nut with a passion for all things automotive, specially P cars. Seems/is very knowledgeable. He also runs all the staff training at the dealership.

What are your thoughts?

 

Why worry?

I do run my .2 TT pretty hard on high way.

Usually do 250km/h for about 1 hour trip.

Oil temp goes up over 120 for that period all the time.

Zero problem at all and car takes it pretty good.

WOT for about 20 sec to reach 300km/h couple of times during that 1 hour trip makes temps around 130 but no trouble of doing that over and over again.

 

[quote=k_ddsl;2888871]Germeezy1 & Speed21,

Guys,

I stopped by P dealer and had a chat with them regarding the oil temperatures.

They said not to be overly concerned and that the temperature will not reach the max of 150. At most, it will hover around 120-130. I personally never saw anything above ~125 degrees, but I back off at that point.

I asked if at that point I should continue to back off and let it cool down when it reaches 120-130, especially that it doesn't take much effort to get it up to those levels.

They said, and I quote, "thrash it, don't worry about it".

I then asked if something does go wrong while "thrashing it", what's the warranty implications as a result of this thrashing?

They said, as long as the car is stock, is maintained as per Porsche standards and at the dealership and remains within warranty period, warranty claims will not be challenged as a result of driving style alone.

This conversation is with the warranties manager at the dealership. The guy is a right proper car nut with a passion for all things automotive, specially P cars. Seems/is very knowledgeable. He also runs all the staff training at the dealership.

What are your thoughts?[/quote]

Ok, you've been given the official nod from P to "thrash it", so its obviously all ok. I would have been surprised to hear P hadnt accomodated for all environments in the course of completing their extensive R and D.
However my thoughts are this; As the owner and operator, you should always go with your own gut feel at the time, and do what you feel you are comfortable doing afterall its your car and you've got to be able to live with it (and yourself) over the term of ownership feeling good that youve treated it in a way that does makes you feel good with no regrets.
As you know I've always been a strong advocate to treat any equipment with respect particularly when it is new and to always give considerations to the environment you are using it in particularly when looking to use the equipment to its maximum capacity.

 

Do I win a cookie, what did I say?

 

Its what you didnt say that really matters. Will a Fortune cookie do?

 

Even in stock form, you can abuse the car in a way to lead to a failure. Don't forget that dealer is able to see how the car was driven and in what conditions. So is not the warranty period that matters, but the report of the dealer and the way that it was abused to see if the warranty covers or not any failure.

 

When the vehicle is operated within its parameters you should never have to worry about failures. A stock car, maintained correctly, with no mechanical over revs should not have any issues getting warranty coverage if the engine lets go due to a design, or parts or workmanship issue. Which is why BMW had to replace engines despite the owners experiencing high oil temps during track days and continuing to drive. The factory safeguards such as the factory tune, and rev limits are in place so the car will not experience failure when driven to the absolute edge of its envelope.

 

Correct.

To give an example: Place two separate engines on two separate dynos.

Run one engine continuously within 90% to 100% of the outer limmits of its design envelope.

Run the other engine contiuously within 50% to 85% of its design envelope.

The later engine will outlive the former engine.

Both engines are warranted. One will last longer than the other.

Wear will always accelerate faster in the former engine....warranty or no warranty.

The purchasers car.... and ultimately the purchasers decision.

End of story .

 

Turbocharged car...more heat = decreased performance.

In all cases. No exceptions.

 

And in 55c heat.....= decreased performance ++ and, at sustained WOT = decreased engine life ++.

But dont worry, you have warranty .

 

I didn't say anything about if he should drive his car like that or not, its his car...I just said that if because of the high oil temperatures the engine goes pop under warranty as long as everything else has been done correctly an engine failure as long as there is no mechanical over rev will be covered under warranty. That was also verified by his dealer.

 

Thats cool germeezy. Wasnt seeking to make any personal attack on you of sorts...just pointing out there is relativity in everything regardless of the warranties that are offered these days and that one should always be mindful of all things before going hell for leather in ones pride and joy, as i'm sure kddsl is anyway .

 

No problem, I hope I did not come off rude at all. I like to drive my cars within an inch of their life and hope for no failures, but I am very mindful of not doing things that will void the warranty before the warranty period is up. Of course when you are talking about a $20k plus engine I would have definitely used the same caution you speak of as far as the car is concerned.

I had an early ( 06 ) XC90 V8 which had a interesting oil consumption, and valvetrain and piston slap issue. The car was flogged within an inch of its life from the day we bought it. After a few times driving my favorite loaner which made the time without the car bearable ( V70R). I was told that an engineer from Volvo had been following the issue in my car and a few other cars said that Volvo would cover the engine no matter what in case of failure. It never failed but I tell you what that damn SUV ran stronger than any other XC90 V8 I have driven!

But as frustrating as it was having to worry about driving my sport SUV hard, it would have been much more frustrating after buying a sports car. I am glad that your dealer said that the car will be covered in the event of a failure. I know you guys over there have the same affection for speed as I do....so enjoy your amazing performance cars!

 

but still much better than the supercharged cars in heat

 

Just a tidbit for the record guys...

I hope I didn't give anybody the impression that I am running around the streets of Kuwait driving like a bloody lunatic.

The car is driven in a very civilized manner 99% of time. The need to go WOT rarely comes up as quarter to half throttle will simply sort out any overtaking I do during my daily commutes.

I hope I was clear in my posts that in our ambient temps, it takes very little to see engine oil temps rise to 120-125. One or two brief duration kickdowns and you're there!
I also clearly stated that I back off when the oil temps go over 120.
I still back off despite what the Porsche dealership said for two simple reasons:
1- I have no real desire to test out their warranty claims process
2- I do care about the longevity of my engine

I think I already stated that I really wish that Porsche had sorted out the oil cooling as well as they did the water cooling.