Hello guys...I just wanted to write that HR springs were installed (ordered together with sways but they were for 997NA)...The car feels softer,it is lowered and looks much better and the good thing is that comfort is better now...Turn in is better and i feel that it sticks better to the road...Has anyone allignment specs for lowered 997TT?Are they almost the same as 996Gt2?Or should i find 997Gt2?

 

Are they "standard" H&R or the ones Champion has? I drove a car with these and noticed that the slap over road bumps was more pronounced. Not terribly so, but I didn't think it was a softer ride than stock.

 

Stock alignments can still be used on a lowered car. The drop links on the sways need to be shortened though (or use AM adjustable ones) to neutralise any sprung pressure from the sways after the car is lowered. If you have not had the car re aligned since fitting the lowering springs i'm very surprised to hear it has retained any driveability at all. After installing lowering springs the car would need an alignment before it left the shop.

Frankly Bogg Im yet to hear any postive reports other than Scandalist although in saying that if he is satisfied with the result then that is great news for him. I was recently informed out of the available lowering spring offerings Techart invested more r and d into their lowering springs (as they always generally do with their products) than the others. Now i cant say as fact the techarts are any better but thats what a reputable vendor told me who sells them all so i guess he has nothing to hide or gain. Even so, thats not to say these "techart lowering springs" are as good as any coilover set up nor will they make the car handle better than the stock set up for that matter.
The guys I use out here who specialise in track alignments and other special wheel alignment and suspension set ups for P's advised me that lowering springs are generally a "vanity thing" and usually compromise the ride due to reducing the shock absorber travel plus not being pefectly matched to the shocks. After asking my requirements they certainly did not recommend them even though they would sell them and fit them for me if i so wished.

At the end of the day one should be mindfull that for all of the "alleged" misgivings of the stock set up P spent a hell of a lot of time and money doing the R and D so to improve on that would logically require a hell of a lot more than simply adding a set of AM lowering springs .

Generally to acheive a better handling result coilover kits are used as these are put together correctly as a spring and shock package, fully adjustable (ride height, caster, camber, corner weights etc). There are a few brands available, some with better reviews and results than others. It all gets down to what you are seeking to achieve and, the level of compromise you are prepared to accept in the course of vanity.

 

The guys with GMG springs and sways and stock shocks seem quite happy. I don't mind the stock ride but can see where the handling could be tightened up.

 

they are standard HR and the ride is much smoother...Strange enough,but that is the way it is...
P.S. I have a set of Techart springs for sale...(they are made from Eibach...)

 

lol, I'm just waiting for speed21's comments about the switch from Techart to HR.
Obviously you didn't care for the Techart as you are selling them. What was it about the Techart/Eibach ride you didn't like?

 

So Skandalis, did you have the Techart springs (that you have for sale) on the car before installing the H&R ones? And if so is your belief that the H&R feel better?

I'm curious because I have the H&R on my car and don't mind the ride at all, but like others, I have heard good things about the Techart and GMG.

Appreciate your feedback.

 

My car had stock springs and HR standard springs were installed.I did not tried Techart springs...A friend of mine just took them off (ground clearance problem)and left them to me in order to sell them...The car feels very smooth passing over potholes and I did not expect that...The Techart/eibach springs that are for sale are not from GMG,they were bought directly from techart...

 

I took some (in garage) photos...hopefully next days i will some some outdoor photos...

 

I also got my h&r springs installed yesterday...The drive home I thought to be more bouncy and a bit softer than stock....I've yet to align the car because you are suppose to wait about a week for the springs to settle...I love the look now, but I'm not sure I'm feeling the ride quality...These are only a temp for now until I mustard up the money for kw's...

 

As you say Bogg, whilst (probably) not super bad i'm told the car does become a bit slappy and bucky in the ride due to the reduced travel in the shocks... not nearly as sorted as the stock suspension is. If after a re align the car still has a softer ride then imo that also indicts the fact the springs arent matched in the same way to the shocks as P has made theirs. Way way too compromised for my liking but then again each to his own .

With the GMG springs and sways im sure they are ok like the other lowering springs but stock can be stiffened up with different sway bars and the handling can be more tailored to ones driving style even by changing just the rear sway.

I still maintain P's stock set up with some sways will be way better (you cant beat Porsche's R and D) .


[quote=The Bogg;2924269] lol, I'm just waiting for speed21's comments about the switch from Techart to HR.

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LOL!! Thankfully thats now out of the equation....phew!!

There you have it Boggy. No comparison made between the brands . Not that it would matter as they all have the same issues re the compromised shock travel. Scandalists report that these Tech shocks are for sale due to ground clearance issues comes as no huge surprise plus I also wouldnt be surprised to hear the ride was a contributing factor behind the removal as well. It would be a similar effect as fitting a millstone around your neck. Eventually you will be bought to your knees . Its not something i would put up with.

Road terrain can certainly be a major problem for any lowered 997tt P car and it really needs a nose lift kit once lowered imho. And knowing how the roads are I wouldnt consider lowering my car without having a nose lift kit. Its bad enough as it is least of all making it worse!! Then there is the spoiler lip.....yikes!! Ahh well.. there is that vanity thing again....always a price to pay somewhere . Each to his own of course .

 

On all accounts so far your experience sounds normal. They give a lower look in one hand but then compromise handling, ride and general ueseability in the other. I think you are bang on the money with the kw's (or any brand of coilover for that matter) .

 

Would you, or you would, want to make adjustments to the ride height if you went +1" on the wheels corrects?

And another question. The stock turbo wheels for the 997.2, non CL, are 19"? The Panamera turbo look wheels, look just like the 911 wheels are 20", and the 2011 Cayenne 911 turbo look wheels are 21" correct? (not saying there is a version of the Cayenne called the 911; reffering to the 911 Turbo wheels that are an option on the new Cayenne!)

 

Whilst the style is the same it is logical that there would be differences in widths and offsets between these cars/SUV. If you have 19's and then fit 20's the rolling diameter of the 20" tire is still maintained to suit that wheel tire combo set up. One negative is you will have 1" less cushioning in the tire. No ride height alteration is required.

 

I have to agree, after installing the H&Rs, the car is more bouncy and feels softer then stock in the normal PASM mode, obviously not enough damper for these springs, however, I have noticed that in the sport PASM mode it is perfect (for my style of driving) it was much better then the stock ride in the PASM sport mode, I found stock sport PASM too harsh around town and a bit jarring.

Now I drive in PASM sport mode all the time, I will not track this car so right now, this is a good comprimise for me, it looks really good and the ride is the way I like it. Being a reseller of both Ebach and H&R, I choose H&R for my own car because for their quality over the Ebach product. And the spring wire is still German. Boggs, if you do get the Ebachs, PM me so I can try your car. I'm curious to see what the feel is like.

Cheers!