I disagree... If you ask ANY race car owner if they'd like to relieve the driver in any way to improve laptimes - they'd almost 100% agree that they'd do it. This allows the driver to concentrate on other things (such as the car, track awareness, etc...).

I believe that the dual clutch setup was BORN on the race track - ensuring flawless shifting at perfect intervals everytime, without the driver causing breakages due to miss-shifts, etc...

F-1 and IRL doesn't use paddle shifters because they're less fun, they use them because they work. It also allows the better use of left-foot braking (another discussion entirely).

The side benefit of the PDK is that it brings that optional manual control to the daily driven car.

 

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You must be new to racing. The "Porsche Motorsports Engine" is the Mezger engine (proper spelling of the name). It is a real dry sump engine, with "40 more moving parts" than the A91 engine. For street use, it probably does not matter. But for Porsche racing it obviously does matter.

 

I just love how people just assume since the new DFI motor hasn't been used in racing that its inferior.

Also the PDK in the turbo is different version than the ones in the Cayanne, caymen, etc.

 

No u don`t

The PDK is a bit quicker agreed, BUT the fun factor, the involvement of a manual is higher.
Do u want more action, more fun or be slightly quicker? It is a matter of preference.
As far as i am concerned, on a track i would always choose a manual, the interaction is way cooler.
As a daily driver i would (60%) lean towards a PDK model, it also provides the ultimate no-matter-what-traffic-cruise-relax-and-speedo-factor.

 

No, not really.


The sequential gearbox in the Cup Cars is more like a Manual than a PDK. As long as Porsche are using motors that are homologated to racing, the manual gearbox will be mated to the motor as easily as the Sequential which means no additional R&D or cost.

PDK will always be more expensive. It costs more to make, has more parts and costs more to maintain. That will never change.

And this is Porsche we are talking about, it will be a long time before you have to special order a manual.




Until it proves itself in racing, it will be considered inferior. Until it wins multiple 24 hr races in NA form at maximum hp for it's displacement it will be considered inferior. There have also been remarks about the A91 being left out of the GT2RS because it could not handle the power. That would be a dead giveaway to inferiority.

Stripes are earned in the automotive world. They aren't given away.

 

How can you speak for ANY race car driver? I think most would ask for a real sequential, not PDK or DSG. Neither of which will offer engine braking, and both of which will cost a ton to buy, replace and maintain, especially if built to racing specs in which the manual sequentials already cost a ton.

No racers are looking for that kind of headache.

 

It speaks volumes when Porsche wants to top the Nurburgring time charts they go old school (GT1/6speed) in the GT2RS.

 

I'm not speaking for the race car driver... I reported what I saw when IRL car OWNERS were asked about the switch to paddle shifts as opposed to a manual clutch pedal and stick.

I'm reporting what I saw when I watched interviews about the possibility of the 'trickle down effect' into the ALMS.

 

Well of course it would relieve the driver not to have to manually shift a car when racing for 2-3-6-12-24 hours.

Owners opinions? Really? That's pretty funny.

 

I'm not arguing your opinion. It's just that - your opinion. I'm just saying that it has its purposes (both on AND off track).

 

Yes, owners. Actually it was also crew cheifs, and one of those owners was also a driver (Patrick Dempsey).

I already stated in my previous post it was owners... I didn't think it needed clarification. Perhaps it only needed to read properly the first time.

 

True. I agreed with the premise that this is an eventuality. I believe it WILL happen. With Porsche, it may be later than sooner, but I believe it will happen.

 

I think and hope that Porsche will offer both, a manual and the PDK for future GT models.
it would be dumb to dump either one of those options.
There will always be people who love manuals and the PDK has a growing fan club as well.

 

The problem is that you keep mixing in things that aren't totally relevant to the initial point. You also don't have an understanding of the gearboxes you are talking about so your points are garbled into gibberish.


All sequentials are not dual clutch, all paddle shifters are still not dual clutch, electronic dual clutches are not raced much except for a few low level sprint races like the GT-R's which left WC and I'm not sure if they have returned yet or not.

So the authority on which you speak is flawed because simply put all of the transmission you use to support your theory are still closer designs to the manuals and not the PDK/DSG. The only difference is the method of shifting. And that can easily be incorporated into a street car.

 

I so close to hitting the button to place my order for a 2011 tt-S. I'm maybe thinking now I should keep my 6spd C2S for the wknd drives and replace my 12 yr old daily driver Lexus with a 2011 M3- get to experience a good DCT for about 1/3 the price. Sigh...much more sensible but a little emasculating after looking at the turbo P-car.
Jim