Hi All,

So to summarize where I am with my car...

997.2 TT PDK 2010...

Kit installed:
- BMC drop in filter
- Protomotive 4.5" I/Cs (waiting on 5" TPC/Protomotive hybrid ICs with Swaintech Ceramic Coating)
- Europipe Exhaust for the 997.2TT
- Softronic Stage 2 Tune

I had run the car on PBox before I installed the ICs and Exhaust, and, at the time, the car had the Softronic Stage 1 Tune.

Back then, the car ran 0-300 in 31.25 seconds and did a quarter mile in 11.16 seconds trapping 128.84 miles an hour...
That was in 35*C weather (95*F) and dry conditions.
The old thread is here for your reference:
https://www.6speedonline.com/forums/...mc-filter.html

Now with all the above mentioned kit installed, I did a fresh PBox run.
The ambients were 28.5*C (83.3*F) and the weather was dry.

The car did 0 to 300 in about 31.5 so performance dropped in that respect...

However, it did the quarter mile in 11.13 seconds and trapped 130.37 MPH!

Here is the data:







Scott Slauson and I are working closely to fine tune the tune. I think that there is much more to be had from the car with the kit I have on it. Scott asked me for data that I am collecting for him. He is away until next Monday for a Porsche racing event over the weekend. I hope to have the data he needs by the time he comes back

Although I feel like quite the guinea pig these days, but still, that's the price to be paid for being among the first few to go into uncharted territory...

 

Well Karrim I've to speak loud and honest :
The improvement you're wetnessing in trap speed is due to the cooler weather don't convince your self it's from the tune cause Shotcaller did 28sec to 300 via vbox
With only Protomotive tune while you did it in 31,5sec with tune bmc filters euoropipe and the intercoolers this makes it more clear that's there is some thing wrong for sure
You should be getting faaaaarrr better results
Now with all do respect for the tunners but in this situation either have your tuner to solve and fix this problem or go with another tuner .
I'm sure there's an issue here because of the car being new but what upset the costumer in this situation is applying on him the trail and error method
My recommendation for you Karrim
Switzer Protomotive or Evoms

 

true that!! we r test mules right to this moment ..


yalmutawa your comming in hard on the man. Hold back you horses .. he said the tune is being customized yet for improvement. Therefor, what's in hand is just an improved version of a tuned car, but not finalized yet .. Kapeesh?

 

Thanks for your thoughts guys.

With the new hardware installed in my car, the tune needs to be tweaked to take advantage of the kit.

I have every confidence that all will be as it should as soon as I am able to get Scott the data he needs.

 

Fingers cross

 

slow down guys
karem i know that the results you got are not what you expected ..
however you should wait .. your car is new , new dme and everything new so it need time .. am sure scott will make fine tune thats let you take all the Benefits for your mods on your car ..
btw.. karem did you find another program can you data logging your car ?? as i know thats durmatric is not working on 997.2 !!!
this is important step you should look at ..
anyway am sure scott will back to you with great news ..

Yousef

 

Knowing what the car normally traps, even in higher temps, your car has more HP in it. I'm not sure that the ICs will dramatically help you with cooling (unless you are doing multiple runs...the ICs will help maintain better consistency.)

The ICs, however, are likely helping you with better flow during a short quarter mile run. Good runs Karim.

Thanks for sharing.

 

First of all ysf35 lol too late we already cooled down hahhahah
Bbwu the ic maintain you're absoloutely right but it also give you a better trap in top speed

 

ScanXL will work. Good run Karim. I'm confident you'll find the solution down the road.

 

Interesting post as Switzer uses Softronic so either Switzer or Softronic would be the same. Proto is similar so not much difference. I do not know why this was even posted by Karim as a new thread since the data I requested has not been supplied. The stage 2 tune works well with the other cars yet they do not have the add ons that Karim has had. His Ic's have been leaking since they were put on and made by one of your recommendations also... I have had no input with the stage 1 again with the same set up. Basically in simple terms stage 1 and 2 work as they should on all other cars Switzer, Softronic and ... yet not Karims? I requested the stage 1 runs again to compare them with the add ons to check against those without them. This can offer me some info as to a hardware issue or not.

Best,
Scott

 

Your response has me baffled...Do you write Switzer's tunes as well or did you mean they use the same method via cable flash? Are you saying his Ic are leaking from a bad install or a bad part? Almost sounds like you are unhappy with proto/tpc Ic from your response...

 

Trying to fine tune a car, especially one that has virtually just been released is going to be somewhat trial and error. Add to that the fact it is long distance meaning Scott and Karim have to exchange data logs to see what is going on.

Bottom line is it will take some time and until Scott and Karim are satisfied, it will be a 'work in progress'.

 

Hello,

Yes I write the Switzer tunes and yes the Ic's had been leaking in the stage 1 file. The stage 2 was installed after they had been re-installed yet never run again prior...., the exhaust was also installed so we have to figure out if we had 2 off tunes in this car or still issues with hard parts and or install etc. The software was set up with the exhaust company as to clarification to the sensors etc that I gave them. The other posts on back pressure etc was not true on this site that had been mentioned.

While this is being worked out I would say it is not good to post data that is not complete as it doesn't reflect correctly on what is going on or has been.

Best ,
Scott Slauson

 

Scott,

Please refer to the opening post towards the end:

And the fourth Post:


I clearly stated that you were waiting on me to supply you with information.
The ball is in my court at the moment, not yours.

 

Gentlemen,

Thank you all for your input.
Quite how this thread sparked these reactions, I do not know.

For the sake of clarity, here are the facts:

The runs I referenced in my opening post with the Stage 1 file were performed with only the Stage 1 tune and the BMC filter in my car.
The intercoolers had not been installed at all.
The Stage 1 tune worked fine!
In the beginning, I was using a pump gas which I thought was 95 Octane (US). It turned out that this gas was not recommended as it contains impurities.
I switched over to 93 Octane (US) gas.
That was the gas I had been using for a while when I performed the Stage 1 runs.
The Stage 1 tune enabled my car to save about 10 seconds 0-300 KPH.
My time dropped from around 41 seconds to 31.25 seconds.
That kind of result with the Stage 1 tune, a tune that is conservative compared to the Stage 2, is outstanding in my book and I posted to reflect that.

Sometime after the runs with the stage 1 tune, I bought and installed the I/Cs.
The passenger side I/C developed a leak and a replacement was immediately sent out by Protomotive, no questions asked.
In the meantime, Europipe released their exhaust and I ordered it as well.
The replacement I/C and the exhaust reached Kuwait on the same day, 1 day before I was scheduled to leave town.
I dropped the car and the parts off to the workshop and left town the following day.
The install took place in my absence.

I never even performed, let alone posted, any PBox runs while the I/C was leaking.

Upon my return, the car was completed.

I received the stage 2 tune from Scott and installed that on the car.

I went out for PBox runs and saw no discernible improvement in performance.

I contacted Scott and we are working together to identify the causes an nip them in the b**.

Could it be a hardware issue? perhaps...
Could it be the tune needs tweaking? also perhaps...

The reason I posted this thread is because of my friends on 6speed were asking me for an update.

For the record:
- Scott Slauson has been remarkably supportive of me thus far.
- I have had many phone conversations with Scott and many emails have been exchanged between us and from what I can determine, his level of skill and knowledge is outstanding.
- Scott has never, not even once, tried to deflect any responsibility on others, and never once hesitated in coming to my assistance.
- This thread was by no means intended as a critique against Scott or Softronic or any of the companies I have worked with. If I want to critique, I would go one-on-one and tell it straight.

If anything, this thread means to highlight the lengths to which Scott is going to provide me with support even after having the Stage 1 tune prove itself, following which he would have been justified in saying my job is done. After having a 10 seconds improvement 0 to 300 with the stage 1 file, it would be hypocritical of me to claim dissatisfaction.

I posted once on 6speed that the most important thing about starting on your tuning path for your car is choosing a tuner you can work with, one that will support you should there be anything not quite to your liking.

For me, up until now, that tuner is Scott Slauson.

Best regards to all,

Karim