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Old Mar 29, 2011 | 11:15 AM
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Long Awaited 60-130 for our Champion Billet VTG's.

Hi guys, I decided to start a separate thread on this since the discussion was starting to clog up our GT2 build thread a bit.

So, historically, we've never advertised or even really endorsed the whole 6-130 process. Because of the crowded roads in South Florida and the general lack of safety in street-testing a customer's car to 130mph, it's something that we've taken a pretty strong stance against doing. We do the majority of our testing on the dyno, against HP numbers and tq. But...many have asked for these results, and I always promised that I'd try to get them from one of our customers.

That being said, we recently shipped our complete 68mm Billet VTG turbo package to a customer in Turkey for his '07 997 Turbo tiptronic (username KerCar). He already had a few of our parts on his car, but wanted to up the ante to the full kit. Last week, KerCar finally installed the parts on his car and did a few runs. Best run was 5.50 seconds 60-130 with a mixture of 97RON fuel and toluene, in GIAC race mode.

KerCar 60-130 Verified



The main components of the package are our 68m Billet VTG turbos, intercoolers, carbon turbo inlet pipes, GIAC ECU/TCU programming, Werks1 airbox, carbon plenum, and y-pipe....along with the manifolds and exhaust KerCar already had. The parts were actually hand-delivered to him by his family who picked them up while vacationing in Florida. After about two or three days to install the parts and get the engine back in the car, the ECU and TCU were plugged in and it fired up like a champ. Within a few hours...he made this run...with what I think we can safely say is the fastest, most powerful ECU-controlled VTG car out there.

If you guys have any questions or comments, let's add them to this thread instead of the others. I'd be happy to answer whatever you can throw at me. Thanks for putting up with my ramblings....LOL
 
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Originally Posted by Tom@Champion
Hi guys, I decided to start a separate thread on this since the discussion was starting to clog up our GT2 build thread a bit.

So, historically, we've never advertised or even really endorsed the whole 6-130 process. Because of the crowded roads in South Florida and the general lack of safety in street-testing a customer's car to 130mph, it's something that we've taken a pretty strong stance against doing. We do the majority of our testing on the dyno, against HP numbers and tq. But...many have asked for these results, and I always promised that I'd try to get them from one of our customers.

That being said, we recently shipped our complete 68mm Billet VTG turbo package to a customer in Turkey for his '07 997 Turbo tiptronic (username KerCar). He already had a few of our parts on his car, but wanted to up the ante to the full kit. Last week, KerCar finally installed the parts on his car and did a few runs. Best run was 5.50 seconds 60-130 with a mixture of 97RON fuel and toluene, in GIAC race mode.

KerCar 60-130 Verified



The main components of the package are our 68m Billet VTG turbos, intercoolers, carbon turbo inlet pipes, GIAC ECU/TCU programming, Werks1 airbox, carbon plenum, and y-pipe....along with the manifolds and exhaust KerCar already had. The parts were actually hand-delivered to him by his family who picked them up while vacationing in Florida. After about two or three days to install the parts and get the engine back in the car, the ECU and TCU were plugged in and it fired up like a champ. Within a few hours...he made this run...with what I think we can safely say is the fastest, most powerful ECU-controlled VTG car out there.

If you guys have any questions or comments, let's add them to this thread instead of the others. I'd be happy to answer whatever you can throw at me. Thanks for putting up with my ramblings....LOL



It's also the third fastest Tiptronic 997tt out there

1.Besiktas = 4.97
2.WhiteKnight = 5.23
3.KerCar = 5.50
 
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It's also the third fastest Tiptronic 997tt out there

1.Besiktas = 4.97
2.WhiteKnight = 5.23
3.KerCar = 5.50
Ker, what's the art for best times, I have same kit
 
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Ker, what's the art for best times, I have same kit
Yours is a 6speed, right? what clutch did they end up using?

Please do some runs on pump gas if possible.

I was out today just getting used to the pbox doing some 60-100mph times with the stock program. It felt really fast but when I looked at the times it really put into perspective how fast this 68mm vtg Champion package car is. And other packages too of course. Wow, it really is easy to lose perspective when you just read the posts but when you're out in a car as fast as the stock 997tt and it's numbers are "slow" in unmodified form then the modded cars must be considered amazing.
 
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Originally Posted by The Bogg
Yours is a 6speed, right? what clutch did they end up using?

Please do some runs on pump gas if possible.

I was out today just getting used to the pbox doing some 60-100mph times with the stock program. It felt really fast but when I looked at the times it really put into perspective how fast this 68mm vtg Champion package car is. And other packages too of course. Wow, it really is easy to lose perspective when you just read the posts but when you're out in a car as fast as the stock 997tt and it's numbers are "slow" in unmodified form then the modded cars must be considered amazing.
No, built tip by CMS
 
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Originally Posted by The Bogg
Yours is a 6speed, right? what clutch did they end up using?

Please do some runs on pump gas if possible.

I was out today just getting used to the pbox doing some 60-100mph times with the stock program. It felt really fast but when I looked at the times it really put into perspective how fast this 68mm vtg Champion package car is. And other packages too of course. Wow, it really is easy to lose perspective when you just read the posts but when you're out in a car as fast as the stock 997tt and it's numbers are "slow" in unmodified form then the modded cars must be considered amazing.
Arone997TT's car is also a tiptronic. We upgraded it for him here during the build.
 
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Is Kercar's modified vtg a 997 or gt2? Also, was brake boosting necessary to achieve this time? Thanks.
 
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that's pretty damn quick!
 
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Congrats for the fast times guys!
5.5 is very fast but i recall skandalis doing 5.5 (or less?) with stock tip box and APR tune....no big turbos etc.

I wonder what this CMS set up will do with 100 octane....or is the 97 with toluene much the same?
 
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Originally Posted by speed21
... recall skandalis doing 5.5 (or less?) with stock tip box and APR tune....no big turbos etc.
I think you may be mixing up 60-130 mph with 100-200 km/h. A 5.5 second 60-130 mph run suggests a 700+ whp 997TT.
 

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Originally Posted by bbywu
I think you may be mixing up 60-130 mph with 100-200 km/h. A 5.5 second 60-130 mph run suggests a 700+ whp 997TT.
That's right, Bob. Skandalis ran a 6.48 with Speedtech exhaust, Fabspeed intake, and APR tune. A record 60-130mph for a Porsche with so few mods. His 100-200kph was 5.50.
 
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Originally Posted by bbywu
I think you may be mixing up 60-130 mph with 100-200 km/h. A 5.5 second 60-130 mph run suggests a 700+ whp 997TT.
Yes you are quite right Bob. I just checked Skands sig and sure enough his 60 to 130 is 6.48. So a second faster is massive! I guess one can only do so much using stock turbos heh. Needless to say the stock tip tranny can only hold so much for so long without modifications.
 
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Scott, Tom, what do you think this car should trap?
 
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Congrats to Champion and the guys at GIAC!
 
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Originally Posted by TTdude
Is Kercar's modified vtg a 997 or gt2? Also, was brake boosting necessary to achieve this time? Thanks.
They are standard 997 Turbos. There's not brake boosting required. With this setup, we're making just about 450 tq at the wheels at around 3500 rpm's.

Originally Posted by ari
Congrats to Champion and the guys at GIAC!
Thanks ari....the GIAC programming really brings the whole package together. To make this kind of hp out of VTG's with 0 knock and full safetly control in the ECU said a lot about their expertise.

Originally Posted by bbywu
I think you may be mixing up 60-130 mph with 100-200 km/h. A 5.5 second 60-130 mph run suggests a 700+ whp 997TT.
Close....680.
 


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