I am not a direct Bilstein dealer. Most people arent. Bilstein as a USA company has terrible customer support and further they dont care about their brand integrity and pricing. Just look online. I prefer to work with companies that care about their product, their dealers, and their customers. Remember I am not a scientist or engineer, I am a user like you with a company name. So I give my opinions based on my experiences. I have just had the opportunity to work with different manufactures on different cars.

As far as the facts, to my absolute knowledge and please show me a link if different, PASM connection only changes the suspension from being stiff or soft. However, the independent rebound and compression you can dial your car in with KW is much more advanced then the PSS10. Its so advanced, KW even builds all their systems on a 7post suspension dyno. http://www.kw-suspension.com/us/kw_7...technology.php. Bilstein is not junk, not at all. I just gave my opinion.

 

I am told that Motion Control Suspension (MCS), formerly Moton's customer service is second to none.

 

Motons are awesome, but expensive as you have to build them with upper mounts, main springs, tender springs, sway bar link brackets, sway bar links, cannister brackets. You end up spending about double the cost of Bilstein or KW. However if you are going to use the suspension for a specific purpose, not a bad move. Moton was also rebought by JRZ now FYI.

 

Hmmm - it's starting to make sense. More importantly, do buyers get Bilstein warranty buying from your web site?

IMHO it's a dangerous sales technique of bad mouthing competitor - you are not going to win customers by losing credibility (bump stop, 40mm lowering, PASM). It's your right to give opinions, but please check the facts before posting. As I have mentioned, PASM has 2 "master" modes: soft and stiff, but within each there are softer modes and harder modes, depending on what the sensors tell the control unit. This information is hardly a secret - it was it the sales brochure of Porsche Turbo from day one.

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http://www.porsche.com/microsite/technology/default.aspx?pool=uk&ShowSingleTechterm=PTPASM&Cat egory=&Model=&SearchedString=&SelectedVariant

Boxster has better explanation so I am going to use it:

The optional PASM is an electronic damping control system. On the new Boxster models, the suspension has been tuned to match the increased power of the engine. PASM actively and continuously regulates the damping force for each wheel according to the road conditions and driving style. In addition, the suspension is lowered by 10 mm.

The driver can select between two different modes: ‘Normal’ which is a blend of performance and comfort, and ‘Sport’ where the setup is much firmer. The PASM control unit evaluates the driving conditions and modifies the damping force on each of the wheels in accordance with the selected mode.

Sensors monitor the movement of the vehicle body, for example, under heavy acceleration and braking or on uneven roads. The control unit tunes the dampers to the optimum hardness for the selected mode to reduce roll and pitch still further and to increase contact between each individual wheel and the road.

In ‘Sport’ mode, the suspension is set to a harder damper rating. On uneven roads, PASM immediately switches to a softer rating within the ‘Sport’ setup range, thereby improving contact between the wheels and the road. When the road surface improves, PASM automatically reverts to the original, harder rating.

If ‘Normal’ mode is selected and the driver’s style becomes more assertive, PASM automatically switches to a harder rating within the ‘Normal’ setup range. Damping becomes harder, and driving stability and road safety are increased.

 

Yes, they are built to order in about 6 to 8 weeks, and not cheap. I just ordered a set. I believe MCS is owned/operated by the original guys from Moton.

 

Nope I asked you to post it Having driven the cars with and without PASM, you cant tell it is doing that at all. My preference. Tons of articles about lowering the PSS10 or PSS9 and having bump stop issues on this forum. That is true. As well I am not bad mouthing the competitor. Bilstein nor KW are not my competitors. I sell both, I have used both, we have installed both. I strongly feel KW is a better coilover for a certain type of customer in a certain type of use. But being the KW and Bilstein are the same $$$$ amount, the KW is a better buy feature wise. Everyone here has read your praise about the PSS10 on your car. I think that is great info. From personal experience having sold TONS of Bilstein for different cars, their customer support, brand integrity, pricing structure is crap. But that is on a business side, something the end user shouldnt care about.

As far as JIC, JIC had a very good product. A product that offered alot and did alot. However when selling coilovers, I never put JIC and Bilstein together. JIC was a harsher coilover meant for guys that want a stiff aggressive ride. As far as my change to KW. Its borderline a religious experience once you ride them, understand the manufacturing behind them, visit their facility, see how many races their product wins, etc. This is like having a StopTech Brembo arguement. I have one on each car. I never took a dump on you, I just gave my opinion. You did take a dump on me. K, no more time for arguements. Peace has been said.

 

Yea I think so too. We have Moton Clubsports on our Ferrari 360. Rides nice. I did a set a while back here for a 997TT. I think for a street car, its not something you can appreciate it if you are not pushing your car hard. But the best coilovers are crap without a good alignment and other parts. If your in California, go to BBI. He did my 997TT over a year ago while I was out there and it is sick!

 

Dan, I think you are digging yourself into a bigger and bigger hole and losing credibility by the minute. Even an amateur like me is starting to see the ulterior motive.
I don't mind opinions, but some of what you posted are a. not true, and b. dangerously misleading (40mm lowering). Let's stop, ok?

 

Sometimes I wish I was in California, and I would take your advice! Here on the east coast, Piper Motorsports in Virginia does great work for me and my friends. I would recommend them to anyone looking for performance mods.

 

I don't have a dog in this race, but imo he sounds pretty honest. Which is nice to hear from a tuner. You on the other hand seem to be on some kind of witch hunt.

I haven't had my turbo that long and I have only half heartdly looked at suspension upgrades. From one of your own threads; I learned some back story about improper installation of the Bilstein with some sort of washer and how in the past it caused headaches. Also with some sort of linkage that binds.

So as a 3rd party new to the scene his comments about Bilstein being slow to correct problems or having poor support to the dealer sounds like a reasonable comment to make. So as a reasonable person I can very much understand why he as a tuner would recommend a different product that gives him the time of day when he calls them about an issue.

When I am ready to make such a purchase I will do a lot more research. And at that time if I find the Bilstein's to be a product I want to go with; he even says he is more than happy to sell them despite his personal opinion. I as a consumer take everyone on the internets opinion with a grain of salt As I hope everyone else does.

c/n : I think you are being to harsh with this sharky guy.