Help! going from 997 S to Turbo!
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There are many cars that are faster than 997.1TT, so what? 997TT is 3.9 to 62 and 12.8 to 125 in manual, according to Porsche. How much faster do you need and where do you get the chance to experience this, except occasional track day? Anyway, this is not only about speed in itself, and if you are only thinking about speed than you will never be happy because there is always another car that is faster.
Regarding clutch - I have no problem. Yes, it is a bit long, but it works fine for me, and I do quite some stop-and-go uphill traffic jams. I've had short and heavy Sachs sport clutch in another, lesser, car and that was more PITA. Or you mean something else regarding the clutch? Then you have to clarify, please. BTW, I have 2000mile-fresh clutch+flywheel.
One can always buy warranty for the car. Otherwise one should not ever buy a car older than 3 years, as most factory warranties are 3 years long. If you have the means to switch very expensive cars every 3 years - good for you.
Selling a 50k car maybe is difficult, I do not know, I will see if I sell my car when it is 65k in 2 years. In any case, I've seen 260k Turbos, 2 years old with 3k miles on the clock go for over 100k less than initial price, THAT is a loss! Selling any car is a loss, especially 997 Turbo, as they are so common. I find it strange being scared about what will happen in 10-20-30k miles BEFORE you even bought a car. Sure you have to think about this, yes there will be a loss, but you take it when it comes, otherwise better buy a Toyota and be done with it.
There is always uncertainty with used cars, one has to be smart and get as much info as possible, but in the end, even if you buy from a friend, you are not 100% sure he drove it well all the time. Turbos are considered to be robust and not prone to big-dollar brake-downs, as far as I know.
The market in US is big, unlike the market where I am at, but even here there are nice "low-hanging fruits", like that one I mentioned above (but PDK) or 2009 GT2s with 3k miles for 50% off the initial price. But it is always like this "if you add 10k more than you get lower miles, if you add another 10k then you will also get car one year younger, if you add another 10k...", in the end one comes to a new car. :-)
Regarding clutch - I have no problem. Yes, it is a bit long, but it works fine for me, and I do quite some stop-and-go uphill traffic jams. I've had short and heavy Sachs sport clutch in another, lesser, car and that was more PITA. Or you mean something else regarding the clutch? Then you have to clarify, please. BTW, I have 2000mile-fresh clutch+flywheel.
One can always buy warranty for the car. Otherwise one should not ever buy a car older than 3 years, as most factory warranties are 3 years long. If you have the means to switch very expensive cars every 3 years - good for you.
Selling a 50k car maybe is difficult, I do not know, I will see if I sell my car when it is 65k in 2 years. In any case, I've seen 260k Turbos, 2 years old with 3k miles on the clock go for over 100k less than initial price, THAT is a loss! Selling any car is a loss, especially 997 Turbo, as they are so common. I find it strange being scared about what will happen in 10-20-30k miles BEFORE you even bought a car. Sure you have to think about this, yes there will be a loss, but you take it when it comes, otherwise better buy a Toyota and be done with it.
There is always uncertainty with used cars, one has to be smart and get as much info as possible, but in the end, even if you buy from a friend, you are not 100% sure he drove it well all the time. Turbos are considered to be robust and not prone to big-dollar brake-downs, as far as I know.
The market in US is big, unlike the market where I am at, but even here there are nice "low-hanging fruits", like that one I mentioned above (but PDK) or 2009 GT2s with 3k miles for 50% off the initial price. But it is always like this "if you add 10k more than you get lower miles, if you add another 10k then you will also get car one year younger, if you add another 10k...", in the end one comes to a new car. :-)
2) A 50K mile car out of warranty with high miles atttracts buyers who always dreamt of he car but it's the finance lenders who hesitate to loan them the money . They realize that the big expense of a potential major repair added onto a monthly car payment might just tap out the dreamer's finances . Of course there are some guys who know how to work on cars themselves but the lenders arent ready to take that chance. They might end up getting stuck with a broken high mileage repo and a buyer who defaults on payment.
And what of the guy with cash or perfect credit . he can buy the car but that rules out a lot of guys who cant and even he is buying a car without a safety net of warranty .
3) Warranty is 4 years 50K. a 140K+K car out of warranty could leave the buyer paying in full for someone elses joy rides on that engine .
4) He alrady hasa used car which has not stated as having problems . Buying a new car increases the risk .
5) I never said the clutch was 'long". The power assist does alter the feel for the point of engagement compared to the normally aspirated 911 cars like the 997S and Gt3.
What i find interesting is that this thread even exists . After all .. it seems as though he's enthusiastic to buy the car no matter what anyone says.
Yet he did post it as a QUESTION . Yet he punctuates it with an exclamation point . (" Question is if it is worth it, let me know your thoughts/experience please! " )
That implies doubt. Even if he buys it .. that doubt will exist prior to the purchase . What won't completely remain is the amount that he spends to have it .
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Of course, it is always nice to KNOW that the car you drive has so and so many HP (the more the merrier) and does 0-60 in 3sec or lower, but how often does one get a chance to experience that? Those quick launches are with launch control engaged, how often do you use it on the street? How long can you experience the brutal acceleration of PDK before you get into illegal territory, 1-2 seconds?
Anyway Turbos are made for German Autobahns, I have the possibility to go there and drive to the max, but I do that once-twice a year, it is not fun going very fast in a straight line, I prefer mountaneous roads and rowing my own boat so to speak.
These things are only for bragging rights, nothing else. On the other hand, if you do not have the bragging rights then what is one paying 200k for? I understand that point of view, but it does not apply to me. The only advantage I see in PDK is when one is lazy or too bothered to change gears on one's own, which I am not.
With respect to 997.2 Turbos, second-hand cars I see are all PDK, there are absolutely NO manuals.
That could mean 2 things, either manuals are kept by owners or noone buys manual 997.2 Turbos anymore. 
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There actually arent many cars faster than a 997.1 TT. Everyone knows that Porsche is 3.6 0-60 and the tip is even faster. No one uses 0-62 anymore. Or few do.
On a given day there is maybe one car ( GTR) that I see that can even hold a candle to the TT and its stock.
The TT is in the range of sport bikes for 0-60, however many of those you do on a daily basis.
Granted the only faster car than a 997.2 tt PDK is a 2.1$ Veyron but who is counting.
So out of the box the 997.1tt is going to be the fastest car on the road on any given day. Its more of a daily driver hence you seeing more of them although in N.Va i have seen one and only one car faster than mine.
On a given day there is maybe one car ( GTR) that I see that can even hold a candle to the TT and its stock.
The TT is in the range of sport bikes for 0-60, however many of those you do on a daily basis.
Granted the only faster car than a 997.2 tt PDK is a 2.1$ Veyron but who is counting.
So out of the box the 997.1tt is going to be the fastest car on the road on any given day. Its more of a daily driver hence you seeing more of them although in N.Va i have seen one and only one car faster than mine.
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There actually arent many cars faster than a 997.1 TT. Everyone knows that Porsche is 3.6 0-60 and the tip is even faster. No one uses 0-62 anymore. Or few do.
On a given day there is maybe one car ( GTR) that I see that can even hold a candle to the TT and its stock.
The TT is in the range of sport bikes for 0-60, however many of those you do on a daily basis.
Granted the only faster car than a 997.2 tt PDK is a 2.1$ Veyron but who is counting.
So out of the box the 997.1tt is going to be the fastest car on the road on any given day. Its more of a daily driver hence you seeing more of them although in N.Va i have seen one and only one car faster than mine.
On a given day there is maybe one car ( GTR) that I see that can even hold a candle to the TT and its stock.
The TT is in the range of sport bikes for 0-60, however many of those you do on a daily basis.
Granted the only faster car than a 997.2 tt PDK is a 2.1$ Veyron but who is counting.
So out of the box the 997.1tt is going to be the fastest car on the road on any given day. Its more of a daily driver hence you seeing more of them although in N.Va i have seen one and only one car faster than mine.
There are cars that are as fast as stock Turbo and for 1/3 the price, one example:
MRC S2 TTRS S-Tronic (425hp)....
0-60mph = 3.29,
0-100mph = 7.38 (Vbox)
1/4m = 11.37 @ 122.3mph
Granted, it is tuned, but exhaust + cat removal + software on TT RS is three if not more times cheaper than similar tuning on 997TT. So in terms of acceleration and speed there are cheaper choices.
BTW, Sportec SPR1 is faster in-gear than Veyron. :-)
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My two cents...
Although very difficult, I'd wait a little bit before pulling the trigger on that turbo you've mentioned. Here's why -
IMO, what you get in return for the price of the turbo now is astonishing. If I'm going to be late to a party...you can bet your *** I won't mind pulling up in a turbo.
Although very difficult, I'd wait a little bit before pulling the trigger on that turbo you've mentioned. Here's why -
- You can sell your vehicle privately and save some cash. White 911s that are kept up move pretty quick.
- You may need to do more research on the turbo to find out exactly what options you want, e.g. (seats, brakes, diff lock, etc.). Buying used is great if you do your homework. You're in the driver's seat and rates will continue to be low.
- Mileage - I believe you'll find similar vehicles in that price range with less mileage and likely less wear on the exterior/interior that comes with mileage no matter how it is maintained. I'd pay a little more for less miles and feel great taking advantage of the last owner who didn't.
IMO, what you get in return for the price of the turbo now is astonishing. If I'm going to be late to a party...you can bet your *** I won't mind pulling up in a turbo.
I think everyone has given great input here, even with some back & forth, thanks! I am going to let all this simmer for a day or two and either list my newly acquired CPO C2S, or get a few light mods and wait for next season
Also, side note, I won't buy from that dealer period...I called when they opened @ 9am and they really pissed me off ALL DAY (hard to do) all day....I started with "I want to buy your turbo today" and this is a Porsche dealer....ended w/ me leaving message for manager saying, "I don't want to do biz w/ you, thanks for your time"
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next option, first color choice & lower miles
I am working another dealer on an '07 6-spd 28k miles, sport chrono, nav, back up sensors, regular brakes, they are asking $79,995, I was thinking more like $74k, anyone want to give their $.02 or experience? car is NOT @ Porsche dealer & not CPO (but it is my first and hard to find color choice! on east coast!)
car has all service history & records at reputable Porsche dealer though, and it is a personal car of a dealer owner (non-pcar dealer owner).
car has all service history & records at reputable Porsche dealer though, and it is a personal car of a dealer owner (non-pcar dealer owner).
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I would guess there is 3-4k room in the asking price since it's not offered as CPO. Here some things to look at/consider:
IMO...the search/hunt for the car is very exciting and you really should take your time. Spend hours on here learning what people constantly chat about e.g. seats, brakes, sport chrono, diff lock, etc.
Keep in mind...if you find another car you like outside your area, you've got plenty of people on these forums who won't mind checking a car out for you should you need it.
- Service history - make sure it's up to date per the manufacturer's specs for that year/mileage. If not, see to it that it is.
- Check the belts
- Check the air filters (cabin included)
- Check the tires (PS2s run about ~2k/set)
- If possible, gage the clutch for wear/tear
- Pre purchase inspection - would get this on any vehicle you consider and will likely inspect most of the items above
- Negotiate a third party warranty e.g. EasyCare
IMO...the search/hunt for the car is very exciting and you really should take your time. Spend hours on here learning what people constantly chat about e.g. seats, brakes, sport chrono, diff lock, etc.
Keep in mind...if you find another car you like outside your area, you've got plenty of people on these forums who won't mind checking a car out for you should you need it.
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Well, I am from Europe and we use 0-100kmh (0-62mph), so saying that noone uses 0-62 is like saying noone uses Chinese in China.
There are cars that are as fast as stock Turbo and for 1/3 the price, one example:
MRC S2 TTRS S-Tronic (425hp)....
0-60mph = 3.29,
0-100mph = 7.38 (Vbox)
1/4m = 11.37 @ 122.3mph
Granted, it is tuned, but exhaust + cat removal + software on TT RS is three if not more times cheaper than similar tuning on 997TT. So in terms of acceleration and speed there are cheaper choices.
BTW, Sportec SPR1 is faster in-gear than Veyron. :-)
There are cars that are as fast as stock Turbo and for 1/3 the price, one example:
MRC S2 TTRS S-Tronic (425hp)....
0-60mph = 3.29,
0-100mph = 7.38 (Vbox)
1/4m = 11.37 @ 122.3mph
Granted, it is tuned, but exhaust + cat removal + software on TT RS is three if not more times cheaper than similar tuning on 997TT. So in terms of acceleration and speed there are cheaper choices.
BTW, Sportec SPR1 is faster in-gear than Veyron. :-)
Actually most people do use 0-60 times now. Or have something like 0-60: 3.2 (0-100: 3.5)
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First, sell you car and take your time doing that. Until you have done that you have too many moving parts and you WILL get snookered. If you turn your cars around in 6 - 12 months, you will take a bath especially if you are forking out sales tax on your purchases. Thereafter.. the hunt starts in all earnest! Good luck!
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I would guess there is 3-4k room in the asking price since it's not offered as CPO. Here some things to look at/consider:
IMO...the search/hunt for the car is very exciting and you really should take your time. Spend hours on here learning what people constantly chat about e.g. seats, brakes, sport chrono, diff lock, etc.
Keep in mind...if you find another car you like outside your area, you've got plenty of people on these forums who won't mind checking a car out for you should you need it.
- Service history - make sure it's up to date per the manufacturer's specs for that year/mileage. If not, see to it that it is.
- Check the belts
- Check the air filters (cabin included)
- Check the tires (PS2s run about ~2k/set)
- If possible, gage the clutch for wear/tear
- Pre purchase inspection - would get this on any vehicle you consider and will likely inspect most of the items above
- Negotiate a third party warranty e.g. EasyCare
IMO...the search/hunt for the car is very exciting and you really should take your time. Spend hours on here learning what people constantly chat about e.g. seats, brakes, sport chrono, diff lock, etc.
Keep in mind...if you find another car you like outside your area, you've got plenty of people on these forums who won't mind checking a car out for you should you need it.
The car bug never ends....& hroussard; No sales tax for me so it makes this much more affordable to change cars fairly often
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