I have over 40 track days on my Rturbo running the 997.2 GT2RS ICs at 1.2bar with zero issues. None. Having run these in track temps exceeding 120F I can tell you their thermal recovery is second to none as verified by data logging. Great product. The composite end tanks are the very reason these do not heatsoak nearly as much as the typical all metal heat bricks sold by many aftermarket companies. As a bonus, the 997.2 ICs are also very light often as much as 20lbs lighter than the competitors.

 

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Nick, why doesn't Champion, proto, Evoms, etc send you one of their coolers so you can do an unbiased test on them. Mystery solved. Make it an open offer to all the aftermarket companies with their whiz bang ICs. The ones that choose not to partake in the test obviously are not too confident in their product. Publish the results so people know who is trying to hide behind a bunch of bogus marketing hype. Let's see, there is Champion, Protomotive, Switzer, Evoms, 911 tuning, Fabspeed, .... Who else?

 

I've offered this and no one was interested.


TPC, AMS, AWE, Agency Power spring to mind.

The thing is it would cost £8400 plus shipping to test the 10 companies we have mentioned but if all members joined in to pay what would be their excuse not to?

We could also do a test on the same car I.E. Mine for example after the wind tunnel test to see the difference in the RL and then we could even get a magazine involved too

 

Just curious, do IC's make much difference in cool weather or are they noticed mostly in hot weather driving? Thanks!

 

Noticeable gains would be in hotter weather.

 

It would appear that this only reinforces the fact that none of these companies have any confidence in their ICs. Marketing hype and tooting their own horn is one thing, putting their product up to the test is another. No thank you, I'll keep my track proven $1000 997.2s. Keep up the good work Nick. You and Earl have done a lot in this arena.

 

You have to think about what they do. The IC isn't cooling the ambient air. They are cooling the ambient air that has been compressed and heated by the turbo.

There would be cold ambient temperatures that once compressed and heated the air would still be relatively cold so you wouldn't notice a difference.

Look at it this way ...... with some back up. We run liquid CO2 around our Y pipe in a double jacketed Y pipe. At 90 ambient temp with the liquid CO2 on the power difference is evident. Below 70 degrees ambient temperature and the liquid CO2 on you really can't feel the power difference. Granted we are still running an IC, but you get the point as ambient temps drop.

 

+1 ..

 

+1

This debate has been going on for long, any AM IC vendor who actually beleived in their product would participate in an open test. But no one has stepped up.

I.e. champion repeately claim they done excessive testing in-house, the fact that they still dont want to be part of an open test points (imo) to two options, either they havent done the claimed testing or they know they will not look good enough in a comparision.

 

What can we do aye?

I guess this is what helps by being part of this forum.

We can see from the info presented in front of us thanks to other members what really is worth buying and what has just been hyped up.


It is sad that companies can just come on here and say their product is the best thing since sliced bread and sell it and getaway with it without proving otherwise.

Reality bites sometimes.

 

Here is a good article.


Read more.

http://www.enginebasics.com/Advanced...20Test%20.html

 

Most are not !! I have to say that a few of your disciples actually do you a disservice.
Couple of points-- you ( & disciples) resisted ever posting 60-130 times and really came up with nonsense reasons not to. I do note that a commercial partner had no reservations in posting those numbers in a thread of your recently. So-I presume a change of mind happened!! Maybe you can again?
The logic of you selling intercoolers faster than you can make them says that a slightly tested 2nd had set would sell pretty fast at little cost to you !!
My specific interest is like Pwdrhound and the repeatability of performance and for far longer than 10 or 30 seconds. I want to know what is possible-regardless of price-- and then decide on the compromises-- so real world unbiased tests are of great interest to me-- and I am sure many others.
Any testing will still have potential limitations -( other than the data from my real life(or others using similarly) application) What is needed --is information like Nick is attempting to get.
I would think that data would then need examination of the process and relevance-- which that alone will lead to more and better information.
Tom-got one last one for you--imagine if your i/c did test as superior -or at the least-the best value for money- you would have independant verification of your sales pitch !!
Got one last point to the conspiracy theorists-- what if the forum members acquired all the potential i/c's and had them tested -without any input from the source-- would we then see a whole lot of attacks on the methodology and results ? Better to be involved and have input into testing !!
That is directed at all sellers-not just Champion.

 

No company will ever do that. It wouldn't be beneficial to them unless everyone agreed to do it. Champion has done so much for this community. They have made so many informative threads without getting compensated for them. I honestly don't think any other tuner has given as much info on the forum to us as champion .There's no reason to ride them for not giving there intercooler's away for free to test. Of course I would love to know the truth, but the only thing you can do at the end if the day is trust your tuner to make the best possible product for your car.

Switzer has developed a new intercooler kit for my car, which they said has dropped temps significantly more than there previous large intercoolers they used on there kits. They tested a couple of different designs from large to small size cores to different intakes. I should have my car back soon and will try to post for info on my intercoolers.

 

Just want to add a different perspective - based on all the great data recently collected by Nick and others prior to Nick, the GT2RS intercoolers work great for the price. What's still an unknown are the big ICs. I have a set of Proto 5" ICs. These cores are purported to have a pressure drop of <0.25 psi at 900 cfm. The recent testing done by Nick shows pressure drops of about 3 psi for the GT2RS at 1.5 bar. What does this mean -- your turbos are working 3 psi harder. I suspect the Proto ICs are less thermally efficient but for my applications (non-track use), I prefer less pressure drop. I don't do any hard pulls at high ambient temps so thermal efficiency, per se, is less of a concern for me especially as I plan to run over 2 bar of boost.