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Old Jun 16, 2014 | 02:11 PM
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I like the idea of the lowering springs. How is 24mm too much of a drop? It obviously is because people complain about it but coming from someone that isn't familiar I can't see why such a relatively small amount (24mm) would hurt anything? Would sway bars be mandatory with this?
Yes if you like lowering springs then by all means go for it. Sway bars are of course not mandatory, just extremely highly recommended. They are cheap and *will* help with the handling during your weekend escapes to those mountain roads. Not just a little, a lot.

I know it sounds like a small number, but ride height is measured in mm for a reason. 24mm is considered a fairly big drop for the Turbo and more than this would in fact cause too much scraping of the front lip. Visually even something like a 10-15mm drop (my car) will look different and start to scrape more already.

I have always suspected that too much lowering alters the 3D relationship of the various suspension links and therefore could cause problems in the long run with broken link, popped out link, etc. 24mm is actually the max that I would recommend for the height drop in our Turbo.
 

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Is there anyone running this new adapter with the Bilstein Coilovers with PASM? I am one of the guys who tracks my car at least a few times a month every month and have a fully suspension build. GMG Sways, Tarrett Components, GT3 Control Arms ect. However this thread is intriguing me. I would be interested in hearing from some other track junkies that have a full suspension already.

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Originally Posted by vaportrail
I'm not the best judge to start with and I still havent put any real miles on the Turbo since I installed. All three settings were grouped much closer than before.

I'll report back after some I log some real miles later in the month.

One rather annoying thing, the light on the shock button flashes in accordance with the shock setting. I'm sure there is not any other practical solution for this but a flashing light anywhere in the car does bother me a bit. I'll get over it.
Is it constantly flashing?
 
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Is it constantly flashing?
The light on the PASM button stays lit in Mode 1, blinks twice in Mode 2 and blinks 3 times when in Mode 3.

When you are driving, you should be looking up and ahead, not down at the PASM button
 
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Originally Posted by vaportrail
I'm not the best judge to start with and I still havent put any real miles on the Turbo since I installed. All three settings were grouped much closer than before. I'll report back after some I log some real miles later in the month. One rather annoying thing, the light on the shock button flashes in accordance with the shock setting. I'm sure there is not any other practical solution for this but a flashing light anywhere in the car does bother me a bit. I'll get over it.
True test will be next week!
 
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Originally Posted by cannga
Yes if you like lowering springs then by all means go for it. Sway bars are of course not mandatory, just extremely highly recommended. They are cheap and *will* help with the handling during your weekend escapes to those mountain roads. Not just a little, a lot.

I know it sounds like a small number, but ride height is measured in mm for a reason. 24mm is considered a fairly big drop for the Turbo and more than this would in fact cause too much scraping of the front lip. Visually even something like a 10-15mm drop (my car) will look different and start to scrape more already.

I have always suspected that too much lowering alters the 3D relationship of the various suspension links and therefore could cause problems in the long run with broken link, popped out link, etc. 24mm is actually the max that I would recommend for the height drop in our Turbo.
Ok perfect, thanks!!
 
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Originally Posted by Thenewguy
I like the idea of the lowering springs. How is 24mm too much of a drop? It obviously is because people complain about it but coming from someone that isn't familiar I can't see why such a relatively small amount (24mm) would hurt anything? Would sway bars be mandatory with this?
I just had GMG springs installed. Look great, but real win is the handling benefits. Plenty of posts on these springs so won't go into detail. But I can confirm that the feedback from others is bang on. So happy with the purchase. Next will most likely be this PASM tune from TPC
 
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Originally Posted by Thenewguy
Ok perfect, thanks!!
You are welcome. Start sway bar settings at medium front/medium rear and adjust according to "taste" afterwards with actual driving tests. The stiffest sway bar setting is not necessarily the best (loss of "compliance" & too stiff/uncomfortable), especially for street driving.
 

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Originally Posted by cannga
You are welcome. Start sway bar settings at medium front/medium rear and adjust according to "taste" afterwards with actual driving tests. The stiffest sway bar setting is not necessarily the best (loss of "compliance" & too stiff/uncomfortable), especially for street driving.
With our TPC Racing Pro Race Adjustable Sway Bars, we recommend one from full stiff in the front and one from full soft in the rear. This has been the perfect starting point for a great platform with track/street use.
 
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Originally Posted by Harris@TPCRacing
The light on the PASM button stays lit in Mode 1, blinks twice in Mode 2 and blinks 3 times when in Mode 3.

When you are driving, you should be looking up and ahead, not down at the PASM button
Harris, I unfortunately have to disagree with you here. Any person who has modified his car and/or does motor racing (or track days) is always very alert on any blinking gauges or blinking indication on the dash, it is the way that most other alerting systems from other manufacturers work. I constant find that it pulls my attention to the blinking light.

Can you not do a software upgrade that we can download and install via the usb port, whereby the modes 2 and 3 only blinks their respective sequence once?

I see this as the only small flaw on an otherwise brilliant product.
 
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Originally Posted by TurboRexed
Harris, I unfortunately have to disagree with you here. Any person who has modified his car and/or does motor racing (or track days) is always very alert on any blinking gauges or blinking indication on the dash, it is the way that most other alerting systems from other manufacturers work. I constant find that it pulls my attention to the blinking light.

Can you not do a software upgrade that we can download and install via the usb port, whereby the modes 2 and 3 only blinks their respective sequence once?

I see this as the only small flaw on an otherwise brilliant product.
I have done several track days with cars equipped with DSC and when driving, I don't seem to be looking down at the shifter where the PASM button is but more so at the road and my gauges. If it were a blinking light in the instrument cluster, I could understand that to be alerting.

The light blinks 2 times for mode 2 and 3 times for mode three. It does this repeatedly so that you know which mode you are in. I will speak to the engineer though and see what other options there could be. We have never had that complaint from any of the pro drivers that drove the DSC cars, so I will bring this to the engineers attention.
 
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Originally Posted by Harris@TPCRacing
I have done several track days with cars equipped with DSC and when driving, I don't seem to be looking down at the shifter where the PASM button is but more so at the road and my gauges. If it were a blinking light in the instrument cluster, I could understand that to be alerting.

The light blinks 2 times for mode 2 and 3 times for mode three. It does this repeatedly so that you know which mode you are in. I will speak to the engineer though and see what other options there could be. We have never had that complaint from any of the pro drivers that drove the DSC cars, so I will bring this to the engineers attention.
Thanks Harris. I am a semi-pro driver competing in both regional and national race series over here, in various manufacturer sponsored cars. It would be interesting to actually ask the pro drivers if this also bothered them. The Porsche is one of my play cars for doing Hill climbs, tar rally stages and autocross type of events, and when I go 10/10ths I have to put a piece of tape on it, because it sometimes catches my eye.

It would be great if you could choose.

Again just so that everyone understands, I still love the product
 
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Originally Posted by Harris@TPCRacing
I have done several track days with cars equipped with DSC and when driving, I don't seem to be looking down at the shifter where the PASM button is but more so at the road and my gauges. If it were a blinking light in the instrument cluster, I could understand that to be alerting.

The light blinks 2 times for mode 2 and 3 times for mode three. It does this repeatedly so that you know which mode you are in. I will speak to the engineer though and see what other options there could be. We have never had that complaint from any of the pro drivers that drove the DSC cars, so I will bring this to the engineers attention.
Harris, I'm happy with your product and I don't want this to be considered anything other than constructive criticism.

I'd prefer a light that blinks two or three times then goes solid.

or

off in mode 1
on in mode 2
blink slowly in mode 3?
 
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Originally Posted by TurboRexed
Harris, I unfortunately have to disagree with you here. Any person who has modified his car and/or does motor racing (or track days) is always very alert on any blinking gauges or blinking indication on the dash, it is the way that most other alerting systems from other manufacturers work. I constant find that it pulls my attention to the blinking light.

Can you not do a software upgrade that we can download and install via the usb port, whereby the modes 2 and 3 only blinks their respective sequence once?

I see this as the only small flaw on an otherwise brilliant product.
Agreed, maybe just a quick blinking sequence when the car is first started up to let the driver know which mode it's in.
 
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Originally Posted by vaportrail
Harris, I'm happy with your product and I don't want this to be considered anything other than constructive criticism.

I'd prefer a light that blinks two or three times then goes solid.

or

off in mode 1
on in mode 2
blink slowly in mode 3?
Agree. I think it would be distracting, and I don't like the idea of having someone in my car and them asking me why I have lights flashing constantly. I think it would be better if it flashed once selected, then goes solid. Perhaps if you briefly pushed it, it could flash according to the mode you're in-just to remind the driver.
 


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