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997TT SilverSpool - 210.8 mph 1/2 Mile WR Apr 2019, 9.2 @ 168 mph 1/4 Mile Manual World Record , 3.15 60-130 mph , 2.72 100-150 mph , 1400whp E85
996TT SpoolBus - 204.6 mph 1/2 Mile 996TT WR Aug 2018, 9.5 @ 154 mph, 3.23 60-130 mph, 2.5 100-150 mph Manual Porsche World Record, 1400whp E85
997TT SlowBerry - 205.0 mph 1/2 Mile WR Nov 2018, 9.7 @ 170 mph 1/4 Mile , 3.2 60-130 mph , 2.4 100-150 mph , 1420whp E85
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997TT SilverSpool - 210.8 mph 1/2 Mile WR Apr 2019, 9.2 @ 168 mph 1/4 Mile Manual World Record , 3.15 60-130 mph , 2.72 100-150 mph , 1400whp E85
996TT SpoolBus - 204.6 mph 1/2 Mile 996TT WR Aug 2018, 9.5 @ 154 mph, 3.23 60-130 mph, 2.5 100-150 mph Manual Porsche World Record, 1400whp E85
997TT SlowBerry - 205.0 mph 1/2 Mile WR Nov 2018, 9.7 @ 170 mph 1/4 Mile , 3.2 60-130 mph , 2.4 100-150 mph , 1420whp E85
ESMOTOR | DO88 | TPC DSC | SYVECS | COBB | IPD | KLINE | XONA | AMS | ID | ERP | SACHS | TURBOSMART | CSF | DODSON |
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Mav you raise a very interesting point, one that's come up before, from a collectible/sought after standpoint, how will time treat the 997? Depending on where one lands on the question above, one will either treat the 997 as (i) an investment (i.e., low mileage garage queen), (ii) as a well driven stable mate/compliment to a DD, or (iii) in extreme, as a full blown DD. I am currently at option (ii).
My rationale is that while the 997 is an excellent 911, it doesn't really have any special cache that would warrant collectible status in the future (i.e., it's not the last of anything such as air-cooled, unless you count the last hydraulic steering 911 for what that's worth), the 997 enjoyed a nice production run (i.e., it's not exactly exclusive) and finally it wasn't marketed as exotic, it's basically the mule of supercars (i.e., supercar performance with everyday reliability, utility and driveability).
So I'm not rationing or conserving my miles as I fully expect to move on in 2-3 yrs...i hope I'm not wrong!
My rationale is that while the 997 is an excellent 911, it doesn't really have any special cache that would warrant collectible status in the future (i.e., it's not the last of anything such as air-cooled, unless you count the last hydraulic steering 911 for what that's worth), the 997 enjoyed a nice production run (i.e., it's not exactly exclusive) and finally it wasn't marketed as exotic, it's basically the mule of supercars (i.e., supercar performance with everyday reliability, utility and driveability).
So I'm not rationing or conserving my miles as I fully expect to move on in 2-3 yrs...i hope I'm not wrong!
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What special thing? Um you do know that the GT3 CUP! Cars are still using the Mezger Engine. Yup that old mill from the 997.1
Thats what is special. Its the last best version. The 997.1 that is. I frankly think for years to come a 997.1 with a Tip... Why tip? because in the next 10 years no one is going to want a manual for stock performance reasons, and the biggest? No one will know how to drive a manual. So the people looking for a manual will be a short list.
Although EITHER .1 will be popular as the last serious modifiable Porsche. THey still havent gotten big number from a .2 yet.
Thats what is special. Its the last best version. The 997.1 that is. I frankly think for years to come a 997.1 with a Tip... Why tip? because in the next 10 years no one is going to want a manual for stock performance reasons, and the biggest? No one will know how to drive a manual. So the people looking for a manual will be a short list.
Although EITHER .1 will be popular as the last serious modifiable Porsche. THey still havent gotten big number from a .2 yet.
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Things are just now getting interesting with the 997. Now that the 991 is out, all the owners who spend $2,000 on steering wheels have moved on to the new models... Those of us who care about going silly stupid fast are still here. I like it. 
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I absolutely love the interior of the 991. I also love the exterior, just don't love the engine, nor the price tag, nor the lack of manual trans. If I could somehow combine the interior of a 991 Carrera with the 997's engine and trans I wouldn't buy another car again. I absolutely loved the 991 Carrera I drove EXCEPT, it was slow as hell
Possibly with the exception of the 996 to 997 transition, just about every reviewer of a new 911 expresses nostalgia for the outgoing model. While each successive evolution provides both technical and engineering improvements to the 911, these gains come at the expense of some "loss in character or feeling" from the outgoing car to the new (e.g., Porsche engineers solve the wicked oversteer inherent in the powerful rear-biased sports car and reviewers bemoan the loss of the 911's "tail-happy characteristics"...LOL)
The 997 is an excellent platform, (I've truly loved every minute of my ownership to-date), however putting my 997 bias aside I will be equally ecstatic when the 991TTS price point hits <$145K and I slide behind the wheel of my "new-to-me" 991TTS!
Is the 997 the best ever? Sure, until the 991 replacement rolls out then the 991 will assume the mantle of "Best Ever 911", in true zeitgeist of the Porsche 911 reviewer!
The 997 is an excellent platform, (I've truly loved every minute of my ownership to-date), however putting my 997 bias aside I will be equally ecstatic when the 991TTS price point hits <$145K and I slide behind the wheel of my "new-to-me" 991TTS!
Is the 997 the best ever? Sure, until the 991 replacement rolls out then the 991 will assume the mantle of "Best Ever 911", in true zeitgeist of the Porsche 911 reviewer!
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Here's something to consider regarding the future collectibility of the TT. What are the odds that the replacement of the TT in the post 991 iteration will not be a turbo. I'm thinking the next ultimate 911 will be a hybrid with technology derived from the 918. From both an emissions and FE standpoint it makes sense. The 918 is the new 959 so to speak.....anyone agree?
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Here's something to consider regarding the future collectibility of the TT. What are the odds that the replacement of the TT in the post 991 iteration will not be a turbo. I'm thinking the next ultimate 911 will be a hybrid with technology derived from the 918. From both an emissions and FE standpoint it makes sense. The 918 is the new 959 so to speak.....anyone agree?
If Porsche can recreate this magic in a non-turbo 911, I'll be buying it! I'm not wed to the turbo for the sake of the technology but for the amazing performance it offers. If Porsche can improve on the twin turbo by using 918 derived hybrid technology, I'm buying...sadly I doubt 918 technology will trickle down into TT price range for a while...
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When the 997 rolled out, did anyone say the 996 was better?
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Possibly with the exception of the 996 to 997 transition, just about every reviewer of a new 911 expresses nostalgia for the outgoing model. While each successive evolution provides both technical and engineering improvements to the 911, these gains come at the expense of some "loss in character or feeling" from the outgoing car to the new (e.g., Porsche engineers solve the wicked oversteer inherent in the powerful rear-biased sports car and reviewers bemoan the loss of the 911's "tail-happy characteristics"...LOL)
The 997 is an excellent platform, (I've truly loved every minute of my ownership to-date), however putting my 997 bias aside I will be equally ecstatic when the 991TTS price point hits <$145K and I slide behind the wheel of my "new-to-me" 991TTS!
Is the 997 the best ever? Sure, until the 991 replacement rolls out then the 991 will assume the mantle of "Best Ever 911", in true zeitgeist of the Porsche 911 reviewer!
The 997 is an excellent platform, (I've truly loved every minute of my ownership to-date), however putting my 997 bias aside I will be equally ecstatic when the 991TTS price point hits <$145K and I slide behind the wheel of my "new-to-me" 991TTS!
Is the 997 the best ever? Sure, until the 991 replacement rolls out then the 991 will assume the mantle of "Best Ever 911", in true zeitgeist of the Porsche 911 reviewer!
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