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Old Aug 26, 2014 | 07:35 PM
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I found a 08 Turbo Cab. with 35K miles on it at a dealer(non Porsche) on the West Coast. It's white with the Cocoa interior & top.
Does anyone have the Cocoa interior? - I haven't seen it in person and would like feedback.
Typical options - Sport Chrono & Tip.

It's supposed to be in excellent condition & I'm on the verge of purchasing a ticket to check it out in person.

Please let me know your thoughts on a fair price & any other tidbits of information I should be aware of.


Thanks in advance.
 
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love that cocoa interior!
 
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I have one of those, 08 turbo tip cab-lots of mods-its been very good to me. What dealer has it? would be nice to see the asking price/pics/options/mods. The 40k service is pricey (plugs++) and would need to check the car fax and tire wear. good luck
 
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Just for reference : I paid $70k 3 months ago for an '07 coupe tiptronic with 29k miles, California car. I thought that was a good deal. For an 08 cab, I guess a good deal would be around $75-$77k but opinions may vary.

Advice: pay for a thorough PPI ( one that includes looking for frame damage, repainting , engine compression and leak down test). Obviously the PPI cannot be done by the selling dealer.

This will set you back $500-$800 but it will greatly increase peace of mind AND, while they are inside the engine for these tests, they can look at the plugs and change them if appropriate for the cost of the plugs only.

If the car has had its 30k service and all fluids and wearables (tires, rotors, pads) check out, plus the items listed above, you should be good to go.
 
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PPI's are a waste of money, you will get a useless piece of mind that if the engine falls out tomorrow no one will do a thing except send you a bill. Best case the guy that did the PPI will say he is sorry and knock the PPI price off the labor for the new engine.
But if you want to go ahead and do it.

Keep one thing in mind about a cocoa interior. Its going to be a hard sell if you try to sell it.
 
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Of course you should get a PPI. It's not insurance or protection against future issues. It's to gauge the current state of the car and to get an idea how it's done in the past. It's a tool to help you decide if you are going through with a purchase and a lever for further price negotiation based on the findings.
 
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Of course you should get a PPI. It's not insurance or protection against future issues. It's to gauge the current state of the car and to get an idea how it's done in the past. It's a tool to help you decide if you are going through with a purchase and a lever for further price negotiation based on the findings.

And you want to pay for a guy to put it on a lift and say it looks good? You shouldnt need to pay someone to look under a car and see if there are any parts that were replaced. You can do that yourself.

Most reputable shops won't even do them for liability reasons, because someone will have an issue and try to blame them for not finding it. The ones that do will make it clear you are wasting your money but they can look at it for you but generally speaking if its a wreck you will figure that out when you see it.

Only thing I would do is find a willing porsche tech to come with you and buy him lunch of give him a few bucks for his time.

PPI's are money makers for the shops and offer a faux piece of mind. In fact rarely have I heard of a car "failing" a PPI. Most stories you hear are a guy getting a PPI then something going horribly wrong after leaving.


So get one if you want but you are wasting your money and its not going to tell you anything you cant find out your self by looking under the car and if you see shiny new parts or pieces of the car with a sticker on it was replaced.
Also there are not a lot of 911's with major damage being underhandedly sold as the parts to repair cost so much that its usually totaled. I have seen some very drivable turbos in the yard of parts dismantlers.
 
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PPI is a waste IMO as well, pure profit mechanism. Great service records are a must.
 
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I think it would be a very bad decision to buy a 7 year old car from across the country and not have a PPI.
 
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I think it would be a very bad decision to buy a 7 year old car from across the country and not have a PPI.
what is a ppi going to do for him? Absolutely nothing. You are taking a car from a guy trying to make money. Bringing it to another guy with ZERO interest in the car, with ZERO liability, and saying I am going to pay you to tell me the car is fine. He cant see anything has no records and short of looking under it for NO leaks ( if he takes the covers off) and the "1.5 million" point inspection everyone says they do.. what is this "independent shop's" vested interest in doing anything but saying its fine taking his money and watch him drive 2000 miles away?

You can say he has no interest so he is going to do a thorough job... no he isnt. You arent finding anything but the blatantly obvious in the less than 1 hour the guy is gonna spend on it.
 
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what is a ppi going to do for him? Absolutely nothing. You are taking a car from a guy trying to make money. Bringing it to another guy with ZERO interest in the car, with ZERO liability, and saying I am going to pay you to tell me the car is fine. He cant see anything has no records and short of looking under it for NO leaks ( if he takes the covers off) and the "1.5 million" point inspection everyone says they do.. what is this "independent shop's" vested interest in doing anything but saying its fine taking his money and watch him drive 2000 miles away?

You can say he has no interest so he is going to do a thorough job... no he isnt. You arent finding anything but the blatantly obvious in the less than 1 hour the guy is gonna spend on it.


Come on nobody believes that garbage. It will show him if it had been hit and painted, the condition of the interior, clutch, tires, brakes(ceramics are not cheap) and rims, any leaks and much more. The CPO at my local dealer is about $250 and it is well worth it. Being able to talk with the service advisor or the dealership mechanic and get an unbiased opinion about the car that was just inspected. I found that owners may not be so honest and $250 provides the buyer with some piece of mind.
 
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Originally Posted by 90sundevil
Come on nobody believes that garbage. It will show him if it had been hit and painted, the condition of the interior, clutch, tires, brakes(ceramics are not cheap) and rims, any leaks and much more. The CPO at my local dealer is about $250 and it is well worth it. Being able to talk with the service advisor or the dealership mechanic and get an unbiased opinion about the car that was just inspected. I found that owners may not be so honest and $250 provides the buyer with some piece of mind.
A number of people believe this "garabage" I am glad YOUR guy will take care of you but a random guy where he is buying probably isn't.

So you are going to buy a car and have no idea how to check the stuff you mentioned? Hit and painted? get a paint meter, or look under the car, the replacement parts all have labels on them and they always leave residue if they are peeled off.
Leaks? Have you looked under the car? Maybe your guy is gonna pull all the panels but random joe most likely isnt.
So why not just ask the guy at the dealer that is selling it? I love how he isnt trustworthy but some random guy down the road is.

Like you said he is buying a car 2000 miles away. So unless he is flying out with his guy.... its a toss up.
 
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A number of people believe this "garabage" I am glad YOUR guy will take care of you but a random guy where he is buying probably isn't.

So you are going to buy a car and have no idea how to check the stuff you mentioned? Hit and painted? get a paint meter, or look under the car, the replacement parts all have labels on them and they always leave residue if they are peeled off.
Leaks? Have you looked under the car? Maybe your guy is gonna pull all the panels but random joe most likely isnt.
So why not just ask the guy at the dealer that is selling it? I love how he isnt trustworthy but some random guy down the road is.

Like you said he is buying a car 2000 miles away. So unless he is flying out with his guy.... its a toss up.




I am perfectly able to do that on a car and my guess is the OP is also. $250 dollars is cheap insurance from a Porsche Dealer, as a first step in the purchase process. The 7 or 8 I have dealt with around the county with long distance sales have been honest and trustworthy. The random guy down the street is not trustworthy and neither is the random seller. But Sharkwerks, Sonnen, Neillo, Fremont, Livermore, Steven Creek and Carlson Porsche Dealers are all a short drive for a seller to make. Plus it will tell more than anything if the guy does not want to take it for a PPI or is a no show at the PPI appointment. The OP won't waste a flight across the country to get screwed as he stated he would fly out check it out.
 
Old Aug 27, 2014 | 05:36 PM
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You like PPI, I don't. You believe the person performing has a vested interest in doing it right. I dont think there is anything that would make a person care about anything but the 250$.

I have never used a PPI, and never will. To me its an utter waste and its not even if they did it free. The problem is you get a false sense of security. Most cars that you are unsure of... are clearly bad deals. I have never seen a person have a car they want get a bad PPI and they not buy. I have seen plenty of guys on here with horror stories about a car that was PPI'ed failing apart later.
Everything missed in a PPI will screw you over. So what if the car was in a 5mph accident. Or has a door ding fixed.

Anyways i'll stick to informing folks why they are a waste and you can tell them how awesome they are, either way no shop doing a PPI is gonna help you when that front diff they just checked burns out.
 
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