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Old Jan 9, 2015 | 07:31 AM
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Went to look at a 2012 McLaren 12-c and 2011 997.2 tt manual. Currently own 997.1 tip as a daily. Having a really hard time deciding which direction to go or even keep searching for a pdk. I do daily drive ( have other cars for deep snows and bad weather ) anyone ever own both? Any help would be appreciated ! Thanks Jesse
 
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Went to look at a 2012 McLaren 12-c and 2011 997.2 tt manual. Currently own 997.1 tip as a daily. Having a really hard time deciding which direction to go or even keep searching for a pdk. I do daily drive ( have other cars for deep snows and bad weather ) anyone ever own both? Any help would be appreciated ! Thanks Jesse
My Cousin owns a 2012 12-c and I own a 2011 Turbo PDK. Both cars are great, but the 12-c is the clear better performing car in all aspects (it's also a lot more expensive). If you're going to daily drive I'd have to say definitively that the 997.2 PDK is the better choice. The 12c has a crammed and unrefined cockpit for my taste, and is not where near as "comfortable" as the Porsche. It's also not as reliable from what I've heard.

For the price of a 12-C, you can get a tune and exhaust for the 997.2 and it will be right there with the 12-C if not faster all while saving a bit of cash.

For what it's worth, the 12-C gives you exclusivity and a way more exotic look and sound.
 

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I've had a similar dilemma and it really depends on your situation. I was also set on the 12C, but the reliability has been a bit suspect and there isn't a dealer in my city. The car would have to be driven (or shipped in the case of failure) 200 miles to the closest McLaren dealership to have work done.

A modded PDK 997.2 will certainly be close in performance and the local Porsche place can handle any issues. I'm actually thinking about a 991 GT3 instead since I'm happy with the performance of my 997.1
 
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Running numbers on a 991 turbo s at the dealer right now!!!!! Can't go wrong there !!
 
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Ohhh don't discount the 12 C. They're fabulous car and in the flesh have far more road presence. Can handle dd duties without breaking sweat.
 
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Post photo of either car you decided to purchase. smh, first world problem.
 
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Post photo of either car you decided to purchase. smh, first world problem.
In the OP's defense, if you own a 997TT, you really shouldn't be having third world problems.. What sort of problems do you expect us to be having, other than "first world problems"...just sayin'

To the OP, while the 12-C is an amazing vehicle, I doubt it holds up as well as the 997.2 TT for DD duties. They don't call the 997TTs the "mule of supercars" for nothing. Somewhat surprised that you are cross shopping a '12 12-C against a .2 TT, at that price point I would have guessed, Gallardo or possibly F430.
 

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12c no questions . I love 997 but 12c is a supercar not a sportcar. If you can make a 997.2 with tune exhaust as fast as a 12c rember ams ecu remap unleashes 100whp more . Also evoms can go up to 800 hp with new turbochargers.
12c weight almost 600lbs less ,comes with forged rods and its dct looks like it can handle a lot.

Its going to be my future car for sure,I hope
 
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Used 12C coupes are a good deal what with the Spider and 650S arriving on the market. I would consider one if I had a Macca dealership in my state. Scissors doors and CF tub, exclusive,and supercar performance. What's not to like as long as you are agile enough to navigate the high door sill.
 
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Both cars are incredible performers, especially with modifications. We are on the verge of releasing a whole host of new tuning options for the Mclaren, allowing that car to achieve power and speed like it hasn't before. At the same time, we have some major developments for tuning the 997.2 that put them almost on to the same page as even the modified Mclaren.

The two cars are very different to drive/experience. The Porsche is much more practical and reliable, as well as being easier to be in and drive. The McLaren is an exotic car...completely different look, low slung, grabs attention everywhere. There are some reliability issues...I hate to say it, but it's a British car. Still, a carbon fiber chassis, gem of a transmission and drivetrain, active suspension and aero...it's a hell of a car.

The 997.2 is violently quick even at low speeds due to the AWD and PDK; the Mclaren stretches its legs at higher speeds once it can put the power down and use its aero and weight advantages more.
 
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In the OP's defense, if you own a 997TT, you really shouldn't be having third world problems.. What sort of problems do you expect us to be having, other than "first world problems"...just sayin'

To the OP, while the 12-C is an amazing vehicle, I doubt it holds up as well as the 997.2 TT for DD duties. They don't call the 997TTs the "mule of supercars" for nothing. Somewhat surprised that you are cross shopping a '12 12-C against a .2 TT, at that price point I would have guessed, Gallardo or possibly F430.
I was debating between 997.2TT, F430, R8 V10 and Gallardo, ended up with 997.1TT 6speed for the legendary Mezger engine. I paid a little higher for low mileage and pristine condition car. However, OP already have 997TT, I think the 12C will fit in nicely with his collection, as long as he keep the 997.1TT for his DD.
 
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Thanks everyone for your advice... Decided against the Mclaren after much thought and going for a 991tt . The Mclaren scared me at the end of the day reading reviews and such. Too much for a daily driven car in my opinion. Suspension oil changes? And the list went on. 2 hours away dealer. And being at the end of my budget sounded like it might get out of hand quickly . Thanks for all the advice it was much appreciated ! Guess I'll stick with my loyalty to Porsche!
 
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Originally Posted by Evolution MotorSports
Both cars are incredible performers, especially with modifications. We are on the verge of releasing a whole host of new tuning options for the Mclaren, allowing that car to achieve power and speed like it hasn't before. At the same time, we have some major developments for tuning the 997.2 that put them almost on to the same page as even the modified Mclaren.

The two cars are very different to drive/experience. The Porsche is much more practical and reliable, as well as being easier to be in and drive. The McLaren is an exotic car...completely different look, low slung, grabs attention everywhere. There are some reliability issues...I hate to say it, but it's a British car. Still, a carbon fiber chassis, gem of a transmission and drivetrain, active suspension and aero...it's a hell of a car.

The 997.2 is violently quick even at low speeds due to the AWD and PDK; the Mclaren stretches its legs at higher speeds once it can put the power down and use its aero and weight advantages more.
Not that I'm in the market for either, but how does PDK compare to the 12Cs transmission?
 
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Not that I'm in the market for either, but how does PDK compare to the 12Cs transmission?
Personally, I would say it's better if only due to the fact that it has an AWD system attached to it. In everyday use and also during performance driving, the shift speed, comfort/performance modes, and shifter mechanisms are both good.
 
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