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COBB stage 1 will blow the field away on power alone but that shouldn't be your focus at the DE (your stock TT map would be more than enough). There's a saying among drivers at the track, "Go slow to go fast". Initially, learning and understanding the "racing line", knowing how to carry speed through a corner (slow in/fast out) and being a momentum driver will make you a better driver than merely mashing the throttle in a high HP car! The stage 1 map will be mighty quick but you will likely find that mastering throttle and brake pedal application will be more important at the DE than being able to dial-up 18+psi of boost on the gauge! Try as hard as possible to discard your drag strip tendencies, 'flooring it' isn't necessarily the goal, although you know this as you've tracked before in other cars!
Have fun and enjoy, very few activities are more fun than running a TT on a track!
Have fun and enjoy, very few activities are more fun than running a TT on a track!
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It's funny, I heard that saying at the DE school last Sunday. I'm just going to pay attention to the classroom and what the PCA instructor says when he's riding shot gun and then apply it to the track. It's a lot to take in, when I'm used to drag racing. I'm sure it's going to be a blast, May 8th can't come soon enough! and thanks for the insight!!
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It really is! Just ordered some new Piloti's got a new helmet this week, went with the HJC AR10, I have a feeling this is going to get expensive
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I've had this one for about a year and a half, so far Cobb, AWE IC's, AWE exhaust, TPC DCS, Eibach springs, LED Drl, LED taillamps, HRE P43's, new plugs & coil packs...and I've only put 1700 miles on it..jeeze. I need to start enjoying this thing. 
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Your front camber -0.7 is a very benign setting, while the rear camber -2.7 is un-usually aggressive for beginner's level on street tire for 997.1 Turbo. IMHO, this is somewhat of an unusual/unbalanced alignment setting, as such benign front camber relative to aggressive rear means the front tires' traction will be even more lacking vs rear in high speed cornering, resulting in even more understeer.
There is diagram on first page of Bilstein thread in my signature - this is the so called GT3 Street Alignment and has been used by people here over the years as an excellent starting point. The setting is -1.2 front/-1.6 rear. (It's also used by my tuner who set up a lot of cars for track amateurs.) Assuming you are not happy with your present alignment, I would print mine and consult with your set-up man again. Just my 2 cents - YMMV.
There is diagram on first page of Bilstein thread in my signature - this is the so called GT3 Street Alignment and has been used by people here over the years as an excellent starting point. The setting is -1.2 front/-1.6 rear. (It's also used by my tuner who set up a lot of cars for track amateurs.) Assuming you are not happy with your present alignment, I would print mine and consult with your set-up man again. Just my 2 cents - YMMV.
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Will I be able to get that alignment w/o adding "dog bones" or other suspension parts?
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LOL - just pay attention to post number 4 - where all the basics are explained https://www.6speedonline.com/forums/...ml#post1933382. And yes you could get same alignment as mine without adding any other suspension part - just print the diagram (credit to Tom/Lucent Motors in West Los Angeles :-)) and give it to tuner.
Regarding what else to add - you have Eibach lowering springs and TPC's DSC, both very good products, and as others have mentioned you are absolutely fine with just these. But... (you knew it was coming
) I would also very highly recommend adding Eibach sway bars front and rear if not already in your car (set to soft/medium or medium/medium as starting point and adjust as needed). The sway bars usually "should" be added at same time as lowering spring install.If you are still confused, followed are my opinions (no right or wrong way, just IMHO) of steps you could do - where you are is number 1:
1. Spring or coilover, sway bar, more aggressive alignment
2. R comp tires, drop link, rear toe-control link
3. Others (see Bilstein link).
The Turbo is already extremely fast as is, but adding these will decrease the bothersome softness and excessive body roll in corners, and make the subjective experience a lot more fun. Stiffer and lower = better handling, in general and up to a point.
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LOL - just pay attention to post number 4 - where all the basics are explained https://www.6speedonline.com/forums/...ml#post1933382. And yes you could get same alignment as mine without adding any other suspension part - just print the diagram (credit to Tom/Lucent Motors in West Los Angeles :-)) and give it to tuner.
Regarding what else to add - you have Eibach lowering springs and TPC's DSC, both very good products, and as others have mentioned you are absolutely fine with just these. But... (you knew it was coming) I would also very highly recommend adding Eibach sway bars front and rear if not already in your car (set to soft/medium or medium/medium as starting point and adjust as needed). The sway bars usually "should" be added at same time as lowering spring install.
If you are still confused, followed are my opinions (no right or wrong way, just IMHO) of steps you could do - where you are is number 1:
1. Spring or coilover, sway bar, more aggressive alignment
2. R comp tires, drop link, rear toe-control link
3. Others (see Bilstein link).
The Turbo is already extremely fast as is, but adding these will decrease the bothersome softness and excessive body roll in corners, and make the subjective experience a lot more fun. Stiffer and lower = better handling, in general and up to a point.
Regarding what else to add - you have Eibach lowering springs and TPC's DSC, both very good products, and as others have mentioned you are absolutely fine with just these. But... (you knew it was coming
) I would also very highly recommend adding Eibach sway bars front and rear if not already in your car (set to soft/medium or medium/medium as starting point and adjust as needed). The sway bars usually "should" be added at same time as lowering spring install.If you are still confused, followed are my opinions (no right or wrong way, just IMHO) of steps you could do - where you are is number 1:
1. Spring or coilover, sway bar, more aggressive alignment
2. R comp tires, drop link, rear toe-control link
3. Others (see Bilstein link).
The Turbo is already extremely fast as is, but adding these will decrease the bothersome softness and excessive body roll in corners, and make the subjective experience a lot more fun. Stiffer and lower = better handling, in general and up to a point.
I'm going to go back and read that again, not sure how I missed that. I'll have to order them up this week! I do plan on doing the next DE and seeing how it is, after a proper alignment. Then I'll add the sways and drop links. I do have a new set of RE11's in my garage for after I burn up these S-04's I just put on.
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I'm going to go back and read that again, not sure how I missed that. I'll have to order them up this week! I do plan on doing the next DE and seeing how it is, after a proper alignment. Then I'll add the sways and drop links. I do have a new set of RE11's in my garage for after I burn up these S-04's I just put on.
It is the perfect in between tire: tread wear of a street tire, sidewall's stiffness (a very important character of tire that is not often discussed) of a race tire. It is my favorite tire for that reason - a lot more handling fun (noticeably less body roll in corners) than Michelin Pilot Super Sport, for me anyway.
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Oh you will love the Bridgestone RE 11 - this tire is one of THE simplest, easiest, and most effective methods for tightening up the suspension. The reason is that although RE 11 is a street tire (rubber compound is for street use), its sidewall is very stiff, closer to R comp tire like Michelin Cup.
It is the perfect in between tire: tread wear of a street tire, sidewall's stiffness (a very important character of tire that is not often discussed) of a race tire. It is my favorite tire for that reason - a lot more handling fun (noticeably less body roll in corners) than Michelin Pilot Super Sport, for me anyway.
It is the perfect in between tire: tread wear of a street tire, sidewall's stiffness (a very important character of tire that is not often discussed) of a race tire. It is my favorite tire for that reason - a lot more handling fun (noticeably less body roll in corners) than Michelin Pilot Super Sport, for me anyway.
They are pretty awesome. I have a set on my S4, had to pick up a set for the TT. Right now I have the Bridgestone S-04's on I like them too. Much better than the Hankook V12's that I have on my stock wheels.
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LOL - just pay attention to post number 4 - where all the basics are explained https://www.6speedonline.com/forums/...ml#post1933382. And yes you could get same alignment as mine without adding any other suspension part - just print the diagram (credit to Tom/Lucent Motors in West Los Angeles :-)) and give it to tuner.
Regarding what else to add - you have Eibach lowering springs and TPC's DSC, both very good products, and as others have mentioned you are absolutely fine with just these. But... (you knew it was coming) I would also very highly recommend adding Eibach sway bars front and rear if not already in your car (set to soft/medium or medium/medium as starting point and adjust as needed). The sway bars usually "should" be added at same time as lowering spring install.
If you are still confused, followed are my opinions (no right or wrong way, just IMHO) of steps you could do - where you are is number 1:
1. Spring or coilover, sway bar, more aggressive alignment
2. R comp tires, drop link, rear toe-control link
3. Others (see Bilstein link).
The Turbo is already extremely fast as is, but adding these will decrease the bothersome softness and excessive body roll in corners, and make the subjective experience a lot more fun. Stiffer and lower = better handling, in general and up to a point.
Regarding what else to add - you have Eibach lowering springs and TPC's DSC, both very good products, and as others have mentioned you are absolutely fine with just these. But... (you knew it was coming
) I would also very highly recommend adding Eibach sway bars front and rear if not already in your car (set to soft/medium or medium/medium as starting point and adjust as needed). The sway bars usually "should" be added at same time as lowering spring install.If you are still confused, followed are my opinions (no right or wrong way, just IMHO) of steps you could do - where you are is number 1:
1. Spring or coilover, sway bar, more aggressive alignment
2. R comp tires, drop link, rear toe-control link
3. Others (see Bilstein link).
The Turbo is already extremely fast as is, but adding these will decrease the bothersome softness and excessive body roll in corners, and make the subjective experience a lot more fun. Stiffer and lower = better handling, in general and up to a point.
