Dream car vs. Several nice cars!!
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Dream car vs. Several nice cars!!
I have been having this dilemma for a while now and i'm wondering what you guys would do. The 911 Turbo is my dream car and I would love to get one however, It would be a 997(2007-2009) and I would do some simple modifications to it (ecu tune and exhuast). Another option is to get a 991 Carrera 4s (2014) and tune it and get an exhaust for it. Would it be better to get a 991 Carrera 4S or a 997 turbo(both of these would be my daily drivers)? The final option is to get an e92 M3 (2011-2013) and supercharge it as a fun weekend car and a s63(2008-2009) as a daily driver. What would you guys do? I cant decide for the life of me Thank you!!!!
#3
The 997 TT is a totally different animal - it is much softer more of a GT. Sure on sport mode it can handle well but it is not a nimble sports car it is a very comfortable super car that can deliver world class performance in any kind of weather condition. It has more mass - much more power and requires a lot more skill to drive it at its limits as the car is so very fast under every condition
You only live once get a 997 TT. I think they are about the bottom of the depreciation curve and if you pick up a decent 6 speed they will hold their value well
The 991 is still depreciating and you are going to loose money on the deal
However, if you are going to daily drive it and put on a lot of miles either car is going to depreciate
I would suggest using the Porsche as a second car and picking up a beater car as a daily grinder
My 997 C2 I picked up with 11 K miles I sold it and made $3,000 on the deal and now its going for $5,000 more to the next owner
The 997 TT prices seem to be going up higher right now on low miles 6 speed cars
if you want high miles - body work or a tip car you can get one cheap
You only live once get a 997 TT. I think they are about the bottom of the depreciation curve and if you pick up a decent 6 speed they will hold their value well
The 991 is still depreciating and you are going to loose money on the deal
However, if you are going to daily drive it and put on a lot of miles either car is going to depreciate
I would suggest using the Porsche as a second car and picking up a beater car as a daily grinder
My 997 C2 I picked up with 11 K miles I sold it and made $3,000 on the deal and now its going for $5,000 more to the next owner
The 997 TT prices seem to be going up higher right now on low miles 6 speed cars
if you want high miles - body work or a tip car you can get one cheap
#4
I figured I would chime in as I may be a bit less biased than a bunch of turbo owners. I currently own an e92 bmw m3 with an ess 625 supercharger, ohlins suspension, upgraded spherical suspension arms and am in the market for a turbo.
For reference, I also currently have a Ducati 1299 panigale and supercharged Range Rover sport and track my supersport motorcycles, supermoto motorcycles, cars, shifter carts, etc. I have driven a few high performance cars on the track including, m4, m2 and corvettes including the latest 650hp z06.I have test driven a few 911 turbos including one I rented for an all day canyon cruise. The 911 is a beautiful car and is of a much higher caliber than the m3. But if money were a factor I would stick with the m3, for 20-25k plus 5k for a supercharger it can’t be beat. It has more power than a stock turbo and giving up the razor sharp power delivery of a supercharged v8 for a turbo 6 is a compromise.
The issue is I am finding the 650 hp in the m3 to be the upper limit before traction becomes a major issue so id like to step up to at least 750 or so with awd but honestly I worry if 100hp will be a big enough step up from the m3 to be worth the effort.
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I had an ess625 kit on my e92 m3, it was such a fun car but as stated the 997tt is a different caliber. I think my 997tt with Exhaust/Tune was faster than my supercharged M3. When I had my protomotive gt30 kit installed it reallllly made my M3 feel slow lol. Both were amazing, and very drivable daily but I would choose the Porsche all day long!
#6
997tt will have a longer and stronger wave of torque that really shines at highway speeds, compared to a supercharged M motor. a blown M motor will have much better throttle response and rev higher though, but won't throw you in the seat at 3500rpm like a Turbo can. The 997tt is also much more effective at putting down the power in lower gears, with the AWD.
a 991 carrera s, the non-turbo one, won't have much power upgrades and could get old for someone who likes 500+ horsepower
an s63 + supercharged M3 combo sounds like a $8k a year maintenance budget, lol
a 991 carrera s, the non-turbo one, won't have much power upgrades and could get old for someone who likes 500+ horsepower
an s63 + supercharged M3 combo sounds like a $8k a year maintenance budget, lol
#7
thanks for all the responses! The 997tt is sounding even better now Are there any major maintenance issues with it or things to watch out for in the 997's?
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*coolant pipes need to be pinned, or metal connectors welded in, motor out service, about $5k. Some more, some less, depending on shop
*rare rare, but camshafts can spin, and that's a big repair job, $10k?
*spoiler hydraulics - common issue, but doesn't stop the car from running. $1400 electric replacement that is more reliable
*turbo actuators can get stuck - not sure repair cost, maybe $1500?
*clutch master cylinder - fairly common, not sure fix cost, maybe $1500
jeez, now that I write it out... scary ****... hahaha. But super rare for one car to have all the issues. Someone please correct me on these prices and list
#11
Buy a 997tt and dont look back. Values are ever rising in todays climate. The 07-09's are all great in their own ways. The coolant pipe issue is more prone on the 07-08's as the claim is that Porsche changed the epoxy on the 09+ cars.
I bought a 09' recently, 6spd, Coupe, TT and its a blast to drive, modded and I love every second of it!
I bought a 09' recently, 6spd, Coupe, TT and its a blast to drive, modded and I love every second of it!
#12
In order of seriousness:
*coolant pipes need to be pinned, or metal connectors welded in, motor out service, about $5k. Some more, some less, depending on shop
*rare rare, but camshafts can spin, and that's a big repair job, $10k?
*spoiler hydraulics - common issue, but doesn't stop the car from running. $1400 electric replacement that is more reliable
*turbo actuators can get stuck - not sure repair cost, maybe $1500?
*clutch master cylinder - fairly common, not sure fix cost, maybe $1500
jeez, now that I write it out... scary ****... hahaha. But super rare for one car to have all the issues. Someone please correct me on these prices and list
*coolant pipes need to be pinned, or metal connectors welded in, motor out service, about $5k. Some more, some less, depending on shop
*rare rare, but camshafts can spin, and that's a big repair job, $10k?
*spoiler hydraulics - common issue, but doesn't stop the car from running. $1400 electric replacement that is more reliable
*turbo actuators can get stuck - not sure repair cost, maybe $1500?
*clutch master cylinder - fairly common, not sure fix cost, maybe $1500
jeez, now that I write it out... scary ****... hahaha. But super rare for one car to have all the issues. Someone please correct me on these prices and list
My advice, don't be afraid of this stuff, it comes with the territory. If you plan on owning the car long term, it's less of an issue. Just think about (or research) what it cost to do this on a Ferrari or Lamborghini and all of a sudden the costs are very low.
Funny enough the parts for this car are less than an E92 M3 in many cases, brakes included. My brother had an ESS VT625 M3 manual sedan and it was a beast, but a 997TT it was not. I loved that car but when you look at the cars side by side, jump in and drive them they're very different. Sometimes I wish I had bought it from him when he sold it, but every time I open my garage and look at my white beauty in there, I'm reminded that I made the right choice.