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The e92 M3 and 997S pull the same times around the ring. In the latest issue of R&T the 997 c2s does 0-100 in 10.3s and in the previous issue the e92 M3 does it in 9.4s. That is a substantial difference and I do not see the gap getting smaller from that point on. Which car would I pick if I had to choose between the two? The 997. But if I did not have another car as a daily driver, I would go the route of the M3.
997S on PS2s (reg street tire) ran 8:02
the m3 on Cup tires (stickier, more grip) ran 8:05. had the m3 been on PS2's like the 997S, it would have been around 8:10-8:12, the same time as a Cayman S runs (8:11 for the Cayman S). also, the 997S in europe has ran 7:59.
in all honestly, its not all about straight line speed, 0-100 in ~10 seconds is faster than youll need, on a track, the 997S will show its prowess and heritage much more than the m3 which isnt a sports car, its a luxo GT car with a high revving engine. i love the m3, although not as much as ANY porsche, but at the end of the day, the m3 is still a worked 3 series (which is ok by all means) and the 997S is the best sports car the world will likely ever see. its an icon, a benchmark and has the looks and performance to back it up.
again, i will STILL prob be buying an m3 as im young and have plenty of time to own more porsches, and right now being young and having lower costs on the m3 and lower insurance on them works better for me.
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its quites funny that people will not acknowledge that the m3 was run on better tires than the 997S yet falls considerably short. 3 seconds slow on better tires say A LOT about its a cars all around performance (brakes, acceleration, change of direction, cornering, etc). the 997S is also a good amount faster on Hockenheim too.
fact is, the m3 is 4 years new, with newer technology, yet the m3 fails to do more than match it in a straight. i want to see what actual owners start running the new m3, my guess, MOST people wont trap over 111 mph and most wont run faster than 12.7, quote me on that!
fact is, the m3 is 4 years new, with newer technology, yet the m3 fails to do more than match it in a straight. i want to see what actual owners start running the new m3, my guess, MOST people wont trap over 111 mph and most wont run faster than 12.7, quote me on that!
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its quites funny that people will not acknowledge that the m3 was run on better tires than the 997S yet falls considerably short. 3 seconds slow on better tires say A LOT about its a cars all around performance (brakes, acceleration, change of direction, cornering, etc). the 997S is also a good amount faster on Hockenheim too.
fact is, the m3 is 4 years new, with newer technology, yet the m3 fails to do more than match it in a straight. i want to see what actual owners start running the new m3, my guess, MOST people wont trap over 111 mph and most wont run faster than 12.7, quote me on that!
fact is, the m3 is 4 years new, with newer technology, yet the m3 fails to do more than match it in a straight. i want to see what actual owners start running the new m3, my guess, MOST people wont trap over 111 mph and most wont run faster than 12.7, quote me on that!
I hate it when people try to disregard the Rohrl 'ring times as well. If BMW had hired Rohrl, and he ran 7:50, we'd never hear the end of it (similar to the CSL anomaly, but that m3 is really bad ***: track tuned and lighter weight, FTW!).
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Great post! The m3's marketing tactics remind me of how badly the old Porsche executive who currently works at Aston so badly wanted to beat the Carrera S at the 'Ring. The v8 Vantage was able to get 8:02, on cup tires, after multiple tries! I remember the canadian BMW site had posted the 8:15 'Ring time, then it mysteriously disappeared as more and more people complained.
I hate it when people try to disregard the Rohrl 'ring times as well. If BMW had hired Rohrl, and he ran 7:50, we'd never hear the end of it (similar to the CSL anomaly, but that m3 is really bad ***: track tuned and lighter weight, FTW!).
I hate it when people try to disregard the Rohrl 'ring times as well. If BMW had hired Rohrl, and he ran 7:50, we'd never hear the end of it (similar to the CSL anomaly, but that m3 is really bad ***: track tuned and lighter weight, FTW!).
the m3 csl 7:50 was and is an anomaly, it will NEVER be reproduced. i think that car normall would run (with the cup tires) mid to high 7:50s. its a bad *** car for sure, but IMO not a car that you can compare to a 996 GT3 or 360 Challenge.
i love the m3, and will be buying another one, but you have to realzie (and i do!) that it isnt a track monster, its a GT car, no different than an amg for the most part. its balanced, its quick, offers good amenities, but by no means is it a lightweight time attack car.
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i love the m3, and will be buying another one, but you have to realzie (and i do!) that it isnt a track monster, its a GT car, no different than an amg for the most part. its balanced, its quick, offers good amenities, but by no means is it a lightweight time attack car.
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The 67k M3 is not a base M3, those are $55k for the sedan and $56k for the coupe. So it's more like $26-27k as a new 997S bases at 83k. However, deals can be had on the 997S while MSRP is going to be the minimum for awhile for the M3.
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997S base price $83,800
M3 base Price $56,500
Difference $27,300...quite a bit by any means
Anyone care to guess how long the facelifted '09 997's will sell at sticker?
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