Video: 997C2S vs m3 vert dct
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Video: 997C2S vs m3 vert dct
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It was very close . There have been a mixed bag of posts about DCT having a few issues . Most are fine but a few folks are not happy , I read one post where it "ignored" downshift requests or "paused" going into first . I read another where the DCT faced problems after a few laps on the track .
I have never dtiven a DCT . I have driven the convertible M3 (manual) . I did not like it at all . I am so glad my girlfriend liked the coupe when we test driven them as she is the primary driver . We also opted for manual .
I think weight may have played a role in the race. The steel top vert is heavy compared to a carbon roof coupe . Also I could not see the passengers of either car .
For instance this race has the Porsche losing yet the 997S has two passengers and the driver doesn;t look too lighweight . http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=isBoU_Is24g&feature=user
Regardless --it is very close . The manual coupe is the car I know and I also know the 997s . Stock to stock , equal weight , straight line , equal driver skill , equiiped with M drive (an option) -- the M would win .
I have never dtiven a DCT . I have driven the convertible M3 (manual) . I did not like it at all . I am so glad my girlfriend liked the coupe when we test driven them as she is the primary driver . We also opted for manual .
I think weight may have played a role in the race. The steel top vert is heavy compared to a carbon roof coupe . Also I could not see the passengers of either car .
For instance this race has the Porsche losing yet the 997S has two passengers and the driver doesn;t look too lighweight . http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=isBoU_Is24g&feature=user
Regardless --it is very close . The manual coupe is the car I know and I also know the 997s . Stock to stock , equal weight , straight line , equal driver skill , equiiped with M drive (an option) -- the M would win .
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It was very close . There have been a mixed bag of posts about DCT having a few issues . Most are fine but a few folks are not happy , I read one post where it "ignored" downshift requests or "paused" going into first . I read another where the DCT faced problems after a few laps on the track .
I have never dtiven a DCT . I have driven the convertible M3 (manual) . I did not like it at all . I am so glad my girlfriend liked the coupe when we test driven them as she is the primary driver . We also opted for manual .
I think weight may have played a role in the race. The steel top vert is heavy compared to a carbon roof coupe . Also I could not see the passengers of either car .
For instance this race has the Porsche losing yet the 997S has two passengers and the driver doesn;t look too lighweight . http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=isBoU_Is24g&feature=user
Regardless --it is very close . The manual coupe is the car I know and I also know the 997s . Stock to stock , equal weight , straight line , equal driver skill , equiiped with M drive (an option) -- the M would win .
I have never dtiven a DCT . I have driven the convertible M3 (manual) . I did not like it at all . I am so glad my girlfriend liked the coupe when we test driven them as she is the primary driver . We also opted for manual .
I think weight may have played a role in the race. The steel top vert is heavy compared to a carbon roof coupe . Also I could not see the passengers of either car .
For instance this race has the Porsche losing yet the 997S has two passengers and the driver doesn;t look too lighweight . http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=isBoU_Is24g&feature=user
Regardless --it is very close . The manual coupe is the car I know and I also know the 997s . Stock to stock , equal weight , straight line , equal driver skill , equiiped with M drive (an option) -- the M would win .
you forget though, that from a roll, the extra weight of the m3 is negated. it still has .2 more liters of displacement, 65 more hp, 2 extra cylinders, and a DCT which equates to no shifting error. those EASILY more than make up for the weight, but the weight is a nonfactor at rolling speeds anyway, as i said.
so if you wanna give the m3 equal weight, give the 997 equal hp not to mention the engine size, and the 997 will still pull on the m3. so the m WOUL NOT WIN.
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LOL "Notice how fast the dual gearbox shifts" I'm amused by the launch control stuff. By the time you remember how it works the other car is long gone. I do not think I would ever get past "floor the throttle w the clutch engaged." Errr.....brain says NO! ;-)
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997>>>>>>m3
you forget though, that from a roll, the extra weight of the m3 is negated. it still has .2 more liters of displacement, 65 more hp, 2 extra cylinders, and a DCT which equates to no shifting error. those EASILY more than make up for the weight, but the weight is a nonfactor at rolling speeds anyway, as i said.
so if you wanna give the m3 equal weight, give the 997 equal hp not to mention the engine size, and the 997 will still pull on the m3. so the m WOUL NOT WIN.
you forget though, that from a roll, the extra weight of the m3 is negated. it still has .2 more liters of displacement, 65 more hp, 2 extra cylinders, and a DCT which equates to no shifting error. those EASILY more than make up for the weight, but the weight is a nonfactor at rolling speeds anyway, as i said.
so if you wanna give the m3 equal weight, give the 997 equal hp not to mention the engine size, and the 997 will still pull on the m3. so the m WOUL NOT WIN.
Well here it does win . http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=isBoU_Is24g&feature=user
And here too -- https://www.6speedonline.com/forums/...e92-story.html
But this wasn;t an ordinary coupe . It was a steel top convertible which weighs heavy.
Would you like me to post the complaints about DCT too ? I can
Also BEFORE 1500 miles the ECU is tamed down on the M3 . At the first 1500 mile service BMW resets the ECU . We know nothing of the car's history.
I do concede --The 997S cab won that race --but not all and it was very close .
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Well here it does win . http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=isBoU_Is24g&feature=user
And here too -- https://www.6speedonline.com/forums/...e92-story.html
But this wasn;t an ordinary coupe . It was a steel top convertible which weighs heavy.
Would you like me to post the complaints about DCT too ? I can
Also BEFORE 1500 miles the ECU is tamed down on the M3 . At the first 1500 mile service BMW resets the ECU . We know nothing of the car's history.
I do concede --The 997S cab won that race --but not all and it was very close .
And here too -- https://www.6speedonline.com/forums/...e92-story.html
But this wasn;t an ordinary coupe . It was a steel top convertible which weighs heavy.
Would you like me to post the complaints about DCT too ? I can
Also BEFORE 1500 miles the ECU is tamed down on the M3 . At the first 1500 mile service BMW resets the ECU . We know nothing of the car's history.
I do concede --The 997S cab won that race --but not all and it was very close .
i think the mk1 997 vs m3 is a drivers race, but that wont be so when the new 997 comes out. as many mags have said, PDK is for real, and the 997C2S has devistating pace now with it.
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[QUOTE=yrralis1;2000083]Well here it does win . http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=isBoU_Is24g&feature=user
And here too -- https://www.6speedonline.com/forums/...e92-story.html
But this wasn;t an ordinary coupe . It was a steel top convertible which weighs heavy.
Would you like me to post the complaints about DCT too ? I can
Also BEFORE 1500 miles the ECU is tamed down on the M3 . At the first 1500 mile service BMW resets the ECU . We know nothing of the car's history.
I do concede --The 997S cab won that race --but not all and it was very close .[/QUOTEx]
No chance is the M3 faster, I have been with them on the track. I was out with 2 coupes and one sedan, one coupe was DCT the other two were manuals. I had more trouble with a modified 2004 6 cylinder, then any of the V8's. In a straight line a M3 is close to the 997, but on a track a 997 will easily win.
And here too -- https://www.6speedonline.com/forums/...e92-story.html
But this wasn;t an ordinary coupe . It was a steel top convertible which weighs heavy.
Would you like me to post the complaints about DCT too ? I can
Also BEFORE 1500 miles the ECU is tamed down on the M3 . At the first 1500 mile service BMW resets the ECU . We know nothing of the car's history.
I do concede --The 997S cab won that race --but not all and it was very close .[/QUOTEx]
No chance is the M3 faster, I have been with them on the track. I was out with 2 coupes and one sedan, one coupe was DCT the other two were manuals. I had more trouble with a modified 2004 6 cylinder, then any of the V8's. In a straight line a M3 is close to the 997, but on a track a 997 will easily win.
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oh I don't know about that, pretty sure in a straight line the M3 is a quicker car. At the track it's hard to judge as a lot of it has to do with the driver, heck this past track day I was passing a Z06 and it was only because I was getting WAY more drive onto the front straight, we all know a Z06 should put any 997 to shame (acceleration that is)...
There was a black M3 also at the track, funny story actually as a lot of people were complaining he was holding up traffic a lot, turns out the instructor that was with him was telling him to go slow. Anyway he was behind me on the last session all alone and I thought it was a different driver as he was 10 times quicker. In the twisties I'd make up ground on him and even though I got more drive onto the front straight he easily made up that time by the end of the straight, then I'd pull away in the twisty sections, only to have him catch me again on the front and back straights.. Same thing happened with a 700rwhp 350Z that came out, reeled him in only to have him blow away on the straights, frustrating!
On the flip side he chatted me up after and to him it was frustrating how he caught up on the straight only to have me pull away in the corners...
Look at Road & Track, 997 12.6 @ 111.9 vs. M3 12.5 @ 114.8, pretty close race up to 100mph (to 60 they are identical @ 4.1) but I think the M3 will start pulling away on the top. Also from what I've heard intake/exhaust/ecu flash on the M3's is about 466hp (crank)...
I still rather have a 997 though, and I'm sure the new 997.2 will more than make up the difference to pull away from the M3's...
Good time to be a car nut though, so many FAST cars out there, I remember when 14.0 in the quarter was considered fast! Back when vette's only had 245hp..
There was a black M3 also at the track, funny story actually as a lot of people were complaining he was holding up traffic a lot, turns out the instructor that was with him was telling him to go slow. Anyway he was behind me on the last session all alone and I thought it was a different driver as he was 10 times quicker. In the twisties I'd make up ground on him and even though I got more drive onto the front straight he easily made up that time by the end of the straight, then I'd pull away in the twisty sections, only to have him catch me again on the front and back straights.. Same thing happened with a 700rwhp 350Z that came out, reeled him in only to have him blow away on the straights, frustrating!
On the flip side he chatted me up after and to him it was frustrating how he caught up on the straight only to have me pull away in the corners...
Look at Road & Track, 997 12.6 @ 111.9 vs. M3 12.5 @ 114.8, pretty close race up to 100mph (to 60 they are identical @ 4.1) but I think the M3 will start pulling away on the top. Also from what I've heard intake/exhaust/ecu flash on the M3's is about 466hp (crank)...
I still rather have a 997 though, and I'm sure the new 997.2 will more than make up the difference to pull away from the M3's...
Good time to be a car nut though, so many FAST cars out there, I remember when 14.0 in the quarter was considered fast! Back when vette's only had 245hp..
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No chance is the M3 faster, I have been with them on the track. I was out with 2 coupes and one sedan, one coupe was DCT the other two were manuals. I had more trouble with a modified 2004 6 cylinder, then any of the V8's. In a straight line a M3 is close to the 997, but on a track a 997 will easily win.
The retractible convertible is heavy and even with that huge weight disadvantage the race was close .
A carbon roof with a light weight driver and manual running a straight line where both cars are stock -- I would point toward the M3 .
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The video is a straight line rolling start race . The M3 does get an ECU tweak at 1500K miles . DCT has revealed problems especially at the track. http://forums.roadfly.com/forums/bmw...9011648-1.html
The retractible convertible is heavy and even with that huge weight disadvantage the race was close .
A carbon roof with a light weight driver and manual running a straight line where both cars are stock -- I would point toward the M3 .
The retractible convertible is heavy and even with that huge weight disadvantage the race was close .
A carbon roof with a light weight driver and manual running a straight line where both cars are stock -- I would point toward the M3 .
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A head wind and two 400lb driver + passenger in the Porsche, and give the M3 a tailwind. Say what you want, from everything I have seen the M3 cannot handle the 997 on a track. Straight line racing is not a good way to decide the ability of a car like the 997 or the M3.
On the track --I agree with you http://www.supercars.net/PitLane?vie...ID=0&tID=10073
7.59 = Current 997S
8.05 =M3
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