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I did mine mid season (track) and could not believe the difference in pedal feel. On a high performance car, I think it is a must have.
I would by the best lines you can get, buy some ATE blue or similar and a Power Bleeder and change them yourself, it will probably take you about 3 hours to do the job yourself.
If you go to R Compound tires and race style brake pads like Performance Friction PF97 or Pagid RS29 Yellows and use either Motul 600 or Castrol SRF...STAY AWAY form that Super Blue stuff...total junk, sorry Van can agree wit ya here on fluid...you will feel a difference under very hard braking. Some claim it to be a big difference and some not so much.
If you stay on street tires and pads then the steel lines are a waste of money.
I agree with both you guys. I only use SRF. I also say that there is a substantial difference in feel from the stainless lines. I have Brembo big brakes on the front, and the stock S brakes on the rear still. The Brembo kit came with stainless lines. But I had a spongy pedal still. Synergy Racing suggested their stainless kit for the rear brakes, because the system now flows so much fluid that it could possibly be all boiling the weaker lines out and causing a bad pedal. So, I spent a few hundred dollars on those lines (and it's totally not a big deal... the SRF will be the most expensive thing... even labor). It totally fixed my problem. I'm all for some stainless brake lines.
If you go to R Compound tires and race style brake pads like Performance Friction PF97 or Pagid RS29 Yellows and use either Motul 600 or Castrol SRF...STAY AWAY form that Super Blue stuff...total junk, sorry Van can agree wit ya here on fluid...you will feel a difference under very hard braking. Some claim it to be a big difference and some not so much.
If you stay on street tires and pads then the steel lines are a waste of money.
What's wrong with the ATE Blue? I haven't had any issues with it.
I run stock brakes and MPSC, and noticed a huge improvement on pedal fee when I added the steel lines. I don't think it is a waste of money on a performance car like a 997. I think the brand that I have is Goodrich, but not certain.
What's wrong with the ATE Blue? I haven't had any issues with it.
I run stock brakes and MPSC, and noticed a huge improvement on pedal fee when I added the steel lines. I don't think it is a waste of money on a performance car like a 997. I think the brand that I have is Goodrich, but not certain.
For almost the same price you can get Motul600. Blue has a lower boling point and that dang blue dye stains the resivior. There is just better fluid out there.
Stainless lines are a great upgrade for a track car, and will help to firm up the pedal as they do not flex under pressure like the stock rubber lines. With that being said, they are also difficult to inspect due to the stainless covering, so as a safety issue I would plan on replacing them every 4-5 years depending on use. At $150 or so for a new set, and about an extra hour of your time when you are flushing the brake fluid, it is good insurance.
Stainless lines are a great upgrade for a track car, and will help to firm up the pedal as they do not flex under pressure like the stock rubber lines. With that being said, they are also difficult to inspect due to the stainless covering, so as a safety issue I would plan on replacing them every 4-5 years depending on use. At $150 or so for a new set, and about an extra hour of your time when you are flushing the brake fluid, it is good insurance.
That is good advice, never thought about the fact that you can't see any leaks.
Make sure that the braided lines you get are DOT approved lines. Resist the urge to get a cheaper line even though they may look the same. DOT lines must pass specific tests and are constructed with superior products. This is not the area to skimp on.
Stainless lines are a great upgrade on any and every car. Not only do they make for more positive pedal feel since they don't expand outward under the pressure of heavy braking, but they're also Teflon lined and don't internally swell over time, which reduces fluid flow. Ever wondered why a car with rubber lines that's been sitting a while (years) feels like the brakes are locked on... it's because the rubber lines have swelled up internally and are effectively forcing fluid to the calipers like you're pushing on the brake pedal.
I have Speigler line kits (https://spieglerusa.com) on both my 997s since 2012 and 2013 and they're perfect. I use Motul RBF600 in all my 6 of my cars for convenience and flush it every spring using a Motive power bleeder. Drain all the reservoirs with a stainless turkey blaster, refill with new fluid, dump 6 quarts of fluid into the Motive and hit all four wheels of the 6 cars in about 2 hours. On the 997s I also bleed the clutch slave with a silicone hose and through ratchet setup that works great as you can loosen the bleed screw then tighten it without removing the ratchet from the screw, and the hose means no mess. Collection bags and hoses come from www.speedbleeders.com
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