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Old Dec 8, 2008 | 08:19 PM
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I will do the same when my clutch is done.... new clutch and LWFW and pulleys ... eventually i hope to will morph my 997S into a GT3 or better between now and the next 5+ years!

Side Note: I love the quality in porsche's ... it seems that most of the 997 clutches are lasting at least 20,000 miles with track driving.......my friends 2008 Mitsu EVO X needs a new clutch and it has 6,000 miles on it
 
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The package for LWFW, Sachs Stage2 hi-performance clutch, and throw out bearings is around $1,700 give or take. Not cheap. The LWFH alone is about $1,100. Add about 6-7 hours of labor.

People I speak with tell me that this is actually one of the best mods you can do on a NA 997, and it's most noticable in terms of significantly improved acceleration when gunning it hard off the line.

We'll see. I'm beginning to get excited about it, but am still mostly bummed about having to spend $3k that I didn't expect to have to spend, with no warrantee help.
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Old Dec 9, 2008 | 12:20 PM
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The package for LWFW, Sachs Stage2 hi-performance clutch, and throw out bearings is around $1,700 give or take. Not cheap. The LWFH alone is about $1,100. Add about 6-7 hours of labor.

People I speak with tell me that this is actually one of the best mods you can do on a NA 997, and it's most noticable in terms of significantly improved acceleration when gunning it hard off the line.

We'll see. I'm beginning to get excited about it, but am still mostly bummed about having to spend $3k that I didn't expect to have to spend, with no warrantee help.
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I agree the acceleration will be improved with the LWFW, I am expecting mine back today, can't wait to try it out. I am interested in hearing what you think of the clutch. I elected to keep mine in my car, as I think I have a few more years left on it. I expect the clutch will feel a little heavier.

Glad to hear that you are excited about this mod. Do you track your car?
 
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How about chattering at idle? My experience with LWFW's is that no matter what they say, they all chatter. My buddy has to hold the clutch in when he goes through the drive through because he cant hear the person at the window due to his chattering flywheel. Of course, he loves it though and who says we are going to be taking our Pcars through the drive through anyway....

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According to my sources, the pedal action on the Sachs Stage2 is not any stiffer to operate than Porsche OEM, although it is infinitely grippier on contact due to it being hi-performance. The Sachs Stage 3 is the very stiff one you may be thinking of, which is designed for cars that will basically be track only. Both Stage2 and Stage3 are more durable than Porsche OEM.

So I am expecting it to be just as easy to drive, albeit an adjustment given the release point of the grippier clutch and the higher reving of the LWFW.

I have not tracked my car- yet. It's coming though. Want to get some more mods (suspension, cats, sway bar) and some time at a race school first.
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According to my sources, the pedal action on the Sachs Stage2 is not any stiffer to operate than Porsche OEM, although it is infinitely grippier on contact due to it being hi-performance. The Sachs Stage 3 is the very stiff one you may be thinking of, which is designed for cars that will basically be track only. Both Stage2 and Stage3 are more durable than Porsche OEM.

So I am expecting it to be just as easy to drive, albeit an adjustment given the release point of the grippier clutch and the higher reving of the LWFW.

I have not tracked my car- yet. It's coming though. Want to get some more mods (suspension, cats, sway bar) and some time at a race school first.
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I haven't felt a Sach's clutch, I have felt a 997 GT3RS clutch and it is a lot heavier then the C2S clutch. I wasn't sure if the same thing would happen with the Sach's.

Track the car ASAP, you will love it. I have tracked mine from the time it was stock and then added different mods over time. I have moded mine where it is very fast on the track, but still civil enough to drive on the street. Working from stock and adding the mods will allow you to see how the different mods improve the car.

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So I went to the shop today to check out my car with the tranny off, and see the cluth, pressure plate, and flywheel come out. Clutch was worn nearly to the rivets, pressure plate showed significant slippage marks. The stock flywheel is more like a 50 pound deadweight! I could not believe how heavy it was!

The new SachsStage2 clutch is made of a totally different compound, is markedly heavy duty. The AWE LWFW is about 12.5 lbs, a much lighter piece.

Hoping to get the call tonight that it's done and I can pick it up, as I am eager to report back with notes on the difference.
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Looking forward to your full review. This is one interesting upgrade.

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I will do the same when my clutch is done.... new clutch and LWFW and pulleys ... eventually i hope to will morph my 997S into a GT3 or better between now and the next 5+ years!

Side Note: I love the quality in porsche's ... it seems that most of the 997 clutches are lasting at least 20,000 miles with track driving.......my friends 2008 Mitsu EVO X needs a new clutch and it has 6,000 miles on it
 
Old Dec 12, 2008 | 06:08 PM
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I made the same comments on the thread "More power for an NA 997" so my apologies if you read it twice.

But here's my initial review:

I picked up my car tonight, with the upgrades installed: Sachs Stage2 race clutch, Sachs Stage2 hi-performance pressure plate, and A.W.W. LWFW.

Whoa, big difference. Of course I stalled 3 times right off the bat, as the clutch uptake is a LOT more immediate. Pedal pressure is actually lighter on the way in, but comes back up more slowly, the way it does in an OEM 997TT. You've got to blip the RPM's to around 1800-2000 before you can let off the clutch, and you've got to let off it quickly. It's ready to grab almost immediately.

But then look out- you're at 28mph in no time in 1st gear, so that's just a matter of getting used to.

Now, as for performance, the LWFW is how the car should have been made. It's a HUGE difference! You're ripping around the tachometer like there's just nothing holding you back, so you fly up to speed like never-before. Feels like you almost have to be over 3700 RPM's for the car to be happy, and you're more comfortable reving to the edge on all shifts since higher RPM's are effortless.

There is definitely noise associated with the LWFW, but nothing annoying- I actually think it enhances the drama. I am already loud with my Fabspeed mufflers (soon to be louder still with sport cats), so I like the added clamor- it sounds like my car means serious business.

I'm eager to drive more tomorrow and get totally used to it. But forget valet parking it anymore- it's not for an amateur.

What blows me away is how much more powerful, agile, light, hyper the car feels. It's like the engine had a gallon of hi-caffeine all sugar Mountain Dew. I read someone else said their car felt "hyper" after the upgrade, ready to just throw itself forward with all it's got, and that's exactly how it feels.

Faster. And effortless.

The whole thing ran about $2,800 including labor. Best unexpected upgrade I've done to date. I guess that means the SC is next!
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