looking for more horsepower in NA engine...
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I picked up my car tonight, with the upgrades installed: Sachs Stage2 race clutch, Sachs Stage2 hi-performance pressure plate, and A.W.W. LWFW.
Whoa, big difference. Of course I stalled 3 times right off the bat, as the clutch uptake is a LOT more immediate. Pedal pressure is actually lighter on the way in, but comes back up more slowly, the way it does in an OEM 997TT. You've got to blip the RPM's to around 1800-2000 before you can let off the clutch, and you've got to let of it quickly. It's ready to grab almost immediately.
But then look out- you're at 28mph in no time in 1st gear, so that's just a matter of getting used to.
Now, as for performance, the LWFW is how the car should have been made. It's a HUGE difference! You're ripping around the tachometer like there's just nothing holding you back, so you fly up to speed like never-before. Feels like you almost have to be over 3700 RPM's for the car to be happy, and you're more comfortable reving to the edge on all shifts since higher RPM's are effortless.
There is definitely noise associated with the LWFW, but nothing annoying- I actually think it enhances the drama. I am already loud with my Fabspeed mufflers (soon to be louder still with sport cats), so I like the added clamor- it sounds like my car means serious business.
I'm eager to drive more tomorrow and get totally used to it. But forget the valet parking it anymore- it's not for an amateur.
What blows me away is how much more powerful, agile, light, hyper the car feels. It's like the engine had a gallon of hi-caffeine all sugar Mountain Dew. I read someone else said their car felt "hyper" after the upgrade, ready to just throw itself forward with all it's got, and that's exactly how it feels.
Faster. And effortless.
The whole thing ran about $2,800 including labor. It's been the best unexpected upgrade I've done so far. I guess at this point, there's only one more to do: SC!
CATTMAN
Whoa, big difference. Of course I stalled 3 times right off the bat, as the clutch uptake is a LOT more immediate. Pedal pressure is actually lighter on the way in, but comes back up more slowly, the way it does in an OEM 997TT. You've got to blip the RPM's to around 1800-2000 before you can let off the clutch, and you've got to let of it quickly. It's ready to grab almost immediately.
But then look out- you're at 28mph in no time in 1st gear, so that's just a matter of getting used to.
Now, as for performance, the LWFW is how the car should have been made. It's a HUGE difference! You're ripping around the tachometer like there's just nothing holding you back, so you fly up to speed like never-before. Feels like you almost have to be over 3700 RPM's for the car to be happy, and you're more comfortable reving to the edge on all shifts since higher RPM's are effortless.
There is definitely noise associated with the LWFW, but nothing annoying- I actually think it enhances the drama. I am already loud with my Fabspeed mufflers (soon to be louder still with sport cats), so I like the added clamor- it sounds like my car means serious business.
I'm eager to drive more tomorrow and get totally used to it. But forget the valet parking it anymore- it's not for an amateur.
What blows me away is how much more powerful, agile, light, hyper the car feels. It's like the engine had a gallon of hi-caffeine all sugar Mountain Dew. I read someone else said their car felt "hyper" after the upgrade, ready to just throw itself forward with all it's got, and that's exactly how it feels.
Faster. And effortless.
The whole thing ran about $2,800 including labor. It's been the best unexpected upgrade I've done so far. I guess at this point, there's only one more to do: SC!
CATTMAN
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I picked up my car tonight, with the upgrades installed: Sachs Stage2 race clutch, Sachs Stage2 hi-performance pressure plate, and A.W.W. LWFW.
Whoa, big difference. Of course I stalled 3 times right off the bat, as the clutch uptake is a LOT more immediate. Pedal pressure is actually lighter on the way in, but comes back up more slowly, the way it does in an OEM 997TT. You've got to blip the RPM's to around 1800-2000 before you can let off the clutch, and you've got to let of it quickly. It's ready to grab almost immediately.
But then look out- you're at 28mph in no time in 1st gear, so that's just a matter of getting used to.
Now, as for performance, the LWFW is how the car should have been made. It's a HUGE difference! You're ripping around the tachometer like there's just nothing holding you back, so you fly up to speed like never-before. Feels like you almost have to be over 3700 RPM's for the car to be happy, and you're more comfortable reving to the edge on all shifts since higher RPM's are effortless.
There is definitely noise associated with the LWFW, but nothing annoying- I actually think it enhances the drama. I am already loud with my Fabspeed mufflers (soon to be louder still with sport cats), so I like the added clamor- it sounds like my car means serious business.
I'm eager to drive more tomorrow and get totally used to it. But forget the valet parking it anymore- it's not for an amateur.
What blows me away is how much more powerful, agile, light, hyper the car feels. It's like the engine had a gallon of hi-caffeine all sugar Mountain Dew. I read someone else said their car felt "hyper" after the upgrade, ready to just throw itself forward with all it's got, and that's exactly how it feels.
Faster. And effortless.
The whole thing ran about $2,800 including labor. It's been the best unexpected upgrade I've done so far. I guess at this point, there's only one more to do: SC!
CATTMAN
Whoa, big difference. Of course I stalled 3 times right off the bat, as the clutch uptake is a LOT more immediate. Pedal pressure is actually lighter on the way in, but comes back up more slowly, the way it does in an OEM 997TT. You've got to blip the RPM's to around 1800-2000 before you can let off the clutch, and you've got to let of it quickly. It's ready to grab almost immediately.
But then look out- you're at 28mph in no time in 1st gear, so that's just a matter of getting used to.
Now, as for performance, the LWFW is how the car should have been made. It's a HUGE difference! You're ripping around the tachometer like there's just nothing holding you back, so you fly up to speed like never-before. Feels like you almost have to be over 3700 RPM's for the car to be happy, and you're more comfortable reving to the edge on all shifts since higher RPM's are effortless.
There is definitely noise associated with the LWFW, but nothing annoying- I actually think it enhances the drama. I am already loud with my Fabspeed mufflers (soon to be louder still with sport cats), so I like the added clamor- it sounds like my car means serious business.
I'm eager to drive more tomorrow and get totally used to it. But forget the valet parking it anymore- it's not for an amateur.
What blows me away is how much more powerful, agile, light, hyper the car feels. It's like the engine had a gallon of hi-caffeine all sugar Mountain Dew. I read someone else said their car felt "hyper" after the upgrade, ready to just throw itself forward with all it's got, and that's exactly how it feels.
Faster. And effortless.
The whole thing ran about $2,800 including labor. It's been the best unexpected upgrade I've done so far. I guess at this point, there's only one more to do: SC!
CATTMAN
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Jason, there is very little to ponder. A clutch job will run you $1,000 in labor. An OEM clutch vs. Sachs Stage2 race clutch is about the same price. The extra you MUST pay for is the LWFW and hi-performance pressure plate. Most clutch jobs require a new pressure plate anyway, so you're essentially getting a much better setup for the same price as OEM, then adding money to get the LWFW. It's a no brainer.
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Cattman,
Very, very good assessment of the clutch and LWFW. It's wonderful. You wake up your car, and it actually has the personality you dreamt that it did the night before you went to pick it up for the first time at the dealership. It's how it should have been made in the first place. It really wakes up a 3.8.
Talk to you tomorrow, buddy. I PM'd you back.
Jared
Very, very good assessment of the clutch and LWFW. It's wonderful. You wake up your car, and it actually has the personality you dreamt that it did the night before you went to pick it up for the first time at the dealership. It's how it should have been made in the first place. It really wakes up a 3.8.
Talk to you tomorrow, buddy. I PM'd you back.
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Cattman, I am jealous, I still have not picked my car up. The weather is pretty bad here and I told the shop that I would be leaving my car there till the weather improves, maybe as long as a week. Glad to hear that you are enjoying the new gear. How much heavier would you say the new clutch is when compared to the OEM?
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NorthVan,
The new race clutch isn't heavier (although it physically weighs maybe 1 lb more as it's much sturdier), the pedal action is actually lighter/ easier going in. On the way out, while engaging the clutch, it returns more slowly.
The main difference with the race clutch is how quickly it engages- picks up the gear right away and locks it in. There's very little slush in between, which is great. Part of that is also the pressure plate.
You will love the LWFW. I think you will if you could drive my car wish you'd done the clutch and pressure plate, too. But you can do it next time.
CATTMAN
The new race clutch isn't heavier (although it physically weighs maybe 1 lb more as it's much sturdier), the pedal action is actually lighter/ easier going in. On the way out, while engaging the clutch, it returns more slowly.
The main difference with the race clutch is how quickly it engages- picks up the gear right away and locks it in. There's very little slush in between, which is great. Part of that is also the pressure plate.
You will love the LWFW. I think you will if you could drive my car wish you'd done the clutch and pressure plate, too. But you can do it next time.
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I had lots of clutch left, and I am spending a bit of money on this mod. I am also buying a new trailer to tow my car to tracks in Seattle, Oregon, and hopefully California. I figure I have at least two years left on my current clutch, so I figure I can wait.
I am looking forward to getting my car, today would be nice to drive it. Sunny and 3C/38F.
Ed
I am looking forward to getting my car, today would be nice to drive it. Sunny and 3C/38F.
Ed
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Ed: By now you should be getting commissions on all PSS10s sold.
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One would think so, I am just happy with my set that I think I should put out the good word.
Have you bought yours yet?
Have you bought yours yet?
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KeninIrvine,
Yes, I've got the TT wheels- I really like the two-tone look with the gunmetal barrels, gives the wheel a lot of depth. But yeah, I would certainly benefit from some HRE's. Are you offering
But I've got to prioritize my expenses into this depreciating asset. I've got a long list of wants:
-AWE 200 cell cats ($1,600)
-x51 headers ($600)
-TechArt or GT3 front bumper ($1,500 + paint)
-TechArt Type III wing ($3,000 + paint)
-maybe side skirts, not sold on the look, yet ($1,500 + paint)
-VF-Engineering SuperCharger ($15,000)
-HRE P40's ($6,000)
-20" PS2's to go on the HRE's ($3,000)
-GT2 seats ($10,000)
So you see, it's a $42k list of goodies. I can opt to keep plugging away and get there eventually, but I am also realistic and fear that I'll ultimately "get the itch" in another year and trade for a pre-owned 997TT for around $80k. And then mod it. STOP THE INSANITY! I've got issues.
Yes, I've got the TT wheels- I really like the two-tone look with the gunmetal barrels, gives the wheel a lot of depth. But yeah, I would certainly benefit from some HRE's. Are you offering
But I've got to prioritize my expenses into this depreciating asset. I've got a long list of wants:
-AWE 200 cell cats ($1,600)
-x51 headers ($600)
-TechArt or GT3 front bumper ($1,500 + paint)
-TechArt Type III wing ($3,000 + paint)
-maybe side skirts, not sold on the look, yet ($1,500 + paint)
-VF-Engineering SuperCharger ($15,000)
-HRE P40's ($6,000)
-20" PS2's to go on the HRE's ($3,000)
-GT2 seats ($10,000)
So you see, it's a $42k list of goodies. I can opt to keep plugging away and get there eventually, but I am also realistic and fear that I'll ultimately "get the itch" in another year and trade for a pre-owned 997TT for around $80k. And then mod it. STOP THE INSANITY! I've got issues.
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Well, now that you mention it I do have a set of nice Champion RG5B wheels that would look great on your car, and they are similar to the HRE's, for half the price you listed. Honestly, I didn't make my comment in the other post to lure you to my wheels, as I have been considering putting them on my car. But I'd let you have them for $3000 plus shipping.
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KeninIrvine,
Yes, I've got the TT wheels- I really like the two-tone look with the gunmetal barrels, gives the wheel a lot of depth. But yeah, I would certainly benefit from some HRE's. Are you offering
But I've got to prioritize my expenses into this depreciating asset. I've got a long list of wants:
-AWE 200 cell cats ($1,600)
-x51 headers ($600)
-TechArt or GT3 front bumper ($1,500 + paint)
-TechArt Type III wing ($3,000 + paint)
-maybe side skirts, not sold on the look, yet ($1,500 + paint)
-VF-Engineering SuperCharger ($15,000)
-HRE P40's ($6,000)
-20" PS2's to go on the HRE's ($3,000)
-GT2 seats ($10,000)
So you see, it's a $42k list of goodies. I can opt to keep plugging away and get there eventually, but I am also realistic and fear that I'll ultimately "get the itch" in another year and trade for a pre-owned 997TT for around $80k. And then mod it. STOP THE INSANITY! I've got issues.
Yes, I've got the TT wheels- I really like the two-tone look with the gunmetal barrels, gives the wheel a lot of depth. But yeah, I would certainly benefit from some HRE's. Are you offering
But I've got to prioritize my expenses into this depreciating asset. I've got a long list of wants:
-AWE 200 cell cats ($1,600)
-x51 headers ($600)
-TechArt or GT3 front bumper ($1,500 + paint)
-TechArt Type III wing ($3,000 + paint)
-maybe side skirts, not sold on the look, yet ($1,500 + paint)
-VF-Engineering SuperCharger ($15,000)
-HRE P40's ($6,000)
-20" PS2's to go on the HRE's ($3,000)
-GT2 seats ($10,000)
So you see, it's a $42k list of goodies. I can opt to keep plugging away and get there eventually, but I am also realistic and fear that I'll ultimately "get the itch" in another year and trade for a pre-owned 997TT for around $80k. And then mod it. STOP THE INSANITY! I've got issues.
X51 headers are pretty poorly made, I would go with AWE as even Porsche Dealers recommend them over X51. I would not put 20's on your Porsche but thats just me.
Finally, GT2 seats from Suncoast are about $6500 vice the $10,000 you quoted. You actually find new GT2 seats on Ebay for under $6K if you are patient.
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Now that I have added some mods and gotten the suspension how I wanted, I noticed that a bit more horsepower would be nice, any help would be appreciated. Not looking to trade up, may track, not sure yet. I like my C4S with the creature comforts as opposed to trading up. As previously stated this stuff is addictive.
If you like the c4s then just get a Turbo. Your mods on your current car will be money down the drain anyway. Not that Turbo's have been holding their value any better.
Once you get used to a Turbo it's pretty hard to go back to a NA 911 unless you're thinking GT 3, which you're not.
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If you like the c4s then just get a Turbo. Your mods on your current car will be money down the drain anyway. Not that Turbo's have been holding their value any better.
Once you get used to a Turbo it's pretty hard to go back to a NA 911 unless you're thinking GT 3, which you're not.
tw
Once you get used to a Turbo it's pretty hard to go back to a NA 911 unless you're thinking GT 3, which you're not.
tw
. My car runs great for my skill level, maybe I 'll look into a set of wheels and track tires and possibly brake pads. BTW, the track day was amazining, I'm hooked, will be taking my car in Jan. Thanks to all the guys at the track and Mike for his encouragement, Lots of guys know you there and missed that you weren't able to get there.
