The best 911 deal is buying the base model...Porsche makes all their money on "red calipers" and all the other little trappings of model differentiation. Do we really need a turbo? The 09 C4S I just took delivery of already scares me in the power department.

I will make an exception for the Cayenne GTS. I had an 'S' for 5 years and last year I moved to the GTS, and that car is something else. The base model Cayenne is totally underpowered, I drove it once as a loaner.

 

Last weekend, i actually raced my brother's 09 s, and he was maybe only half a car length in front of me and we let off at 130mph. So i don't regret buying my base in power department.

 

I would have enjoyed the added larger brakes of the S as opposed to the standard brakes, but other than that I'm happy with the power / response of my non-S after recent mods. Putting down consistent 300TQ / 310HP to the wheels on 91 pump gas. Not too bad for an '06 non-S, and I still have not done an ECU tune yet to tie the mods in a bit better to the engine. - Your '09 DFI motor is no slacker, even for a non-S.

Keep in mind if you put on the 19" wheels with stock suspension it will make the fender gap between wheel / fender look larger. Adding the 15mm spacers rear / 7mm spacers front will help pull the wheels out a bit to fill things up better, but you'll definitely want to lower the car a bit next. www.automotion.com has good prices on H&R wheel spacers and bolts.

 

Do we need a turbo? No.

Do we want a turbo? HELL YES!

 

Took some pictures today

 

time for new wheels. didnt realize the 18's look so small

 

you would be surprised at how well those stock brakes handle. They're no slackers, a friend of mine has no trouble at the track events. Get the ECU upgraded, big difference

 

[quote=GTS4CS;2302579]The best 911 deal is buying the base model...Porsche makes all their money on "red calipers" and all the other little trappings of model differentiation. Do we really need a turbo? The 09 C4S I just took delivery of already scares me in the power department.

I haven't done many comparisons on the 09's, but there's a hell of a difference on the 997.1 . To start, brakes are not just painted red on the S; they also have larger calipers and larger cross drilled discs. The higher HP S engine is not just a bored out 3.6, a # of options on the 911 are standard on the S (PASM, BiXenon, 19" wheels,...), both the front and rear axles + suspension are different , and more.

This does not detract from the standard 911; they are 2 models with significant differences, not just a 4 versus the 6 option in a Honda.

 

Your first comment is accurate for 997.1 and 997.2 but then you go on to say the S has so much more to offer in 997.1 years? Confused.... 997.1 S vs none S are as close in comparisons as 997.2's only slight differences vs the two when comparing a well optioned none s vs a s. Most true when buying used, I would go none S for the savings as again many none S are heavily optioned with all the things the S comes with minus the big reds and 30 extra HP... that said if I was forced to buy new would most likely go for the S....

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Not at all arguing with you, Mickfluff, but I consider brakes, axles/suspension, a different (not just higher HP) engine, more than just minor differentiations, and prospective first time buyers ought to be at least aware of this. If I had a GT-2 I'd get a little upset when Turbo owners tried to minimize the differences.

If I knew a newbie looking to buy his first used Porsche I too would direct him to the base 911; save a few bucks, get the feel, and see if he gets the bug. I'd also agree with other posts that for a dd the 911 is every bit as good as an S or tt and a hell of a lot smarter.

 

I mean that sincerely as I always thought the cars were the same except the brakes and the 30 HP... all other options that could be made up with a nicely optioned none S. (yes a none S could have ceramics but no means the norm like a none S having lets say a sport chrono package or decent seats where that is seen all the time etc...) Are your referring to the adjustible suspension on the S? I am aware that the V1 and v2 are different cars but I am referring to 997.1 S vs none S.

Thanks

 

Mr. Mickfluff (I'm getting formal out of respect, not being a smart ***):

If you want to drive yourself nuts go to http://www.autoatlanta.com/model/porsche911parts.html

Here you can pull up all sorts of schematics and parts lists for the 997.1 and you'll see where certain parts on the C2S are different from the C2. (you'll also see some strange model designations; these, I've been told, are Porsche's internal descriptions for certain option combinations such as with or without sport chrono, etc.)

 

Thanks for the link.....I know a fair amount about autos and my 997 etc but nothing compared to so many on this board; that said anytime I can learn more its great so thanks.... formal or none formal all OK by me, learning, sharing data, giving points of view all what this board is about and why so great!!! thanks

 

If I can chime in here for a min - back to the original post - Does any shop handle a core exchange process similar to chroming OEM wheels.? Specifically,they bill you for 4 painted calipers, and credit you for the cores when you send them back. Leaving the car on blocks for a week would def get my wife flaming.

 

Hey,
can you send me the # for velvet touch, the guys that did your calipers.
Thanks