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Old Sep 16, 2009 | 01:00 AM
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C2S / C4S inventory (2009) OR GT3 ?

i'm listing my 997 for sale and starting my search for a replacement. i had always planned to get the PDK, so now's the time. i can be patient if my car sells in a reasonable time. the car is perfect, and i am cautiously optimistic i can get near full retail for it's age and mileage. my proximity to canada helps in that regard too. anyway

TO THE POINT: searching around, it seems like there are a lot more C4S cars available than the 2wd variety. i can certainly rationalize using it in the mountains skiing, and in the next 9 months of rain in Seattle, but my preference is for a C2S. I'm getting the PDK as it was always my intention of ending up with that. I will be tracking the car.

Question1: thoughts from the board on C2S v C4S - factoring in the the potential for a better deal on the C4S?
there will never be a better time to buy a new porsche on the planet, and if i don't move my 2007 C2S tip now, it'll be that much worse in a year or two.
an outlier alternative is to get a 2008 GT3 but i really prefer to be able to take my kids to school and use my pcar as a daily driver. i have an old E55 warhorse that could suit that but....well, you know the drill here. i'd rather be in the porsche. my commute is 20 mins in stop & go traffic at 14 mph. not exactly porsche roads, but especially not suited for a GT3. of course, they way home after late days in the office seems to find a few longer trips where i can get the adrenaline going.

Question2: talk me in or out of a GT3. i drove the 2010 and it's like sex, for sure. but the deals on the 08's are tremendous. the $50k i save can get me a truck, trailer and tires
i will cross post on the GT2/GT3 forum...

thanks in advance,
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Old Sep 16, 2009 | 05:41 AM
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Originally Posted by brendo
Question2: talk me in or out of a GT3. i drove the 2010 and it's like sex, for sure. but the deals on the 08's are tremendous. the $50k i save can get me a truck, trailer and tires
i will cross post on the GT2/GT3 forum...

thanks in advance,
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Is GT3 really 'street friendly'? Or if you are not even going to use it daily and just as a dedicated race car that goes on a trailer - it probably opens up completely other segment of used race cars.
 
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Brendo, I would do the GT3 in a second! I have tried to modify my C2S to be able to save me from wanting a GT3, but all that it has done has made me realize that the Carrera will never be a GT3.

There are a lot of people that use GT3's as DD, just look at how many ads you see that say "never been tracked"! I am sure that the guys on the GT3 board will tell you the same thing!
 
Old Sep 16, 2009 | 07:22 AM
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Brendo, I would do the GT3 in a second! I have tried to modify my C2S to be able to save me from wanting a GT3, but all that it has done has made me realize that the Carrera will never be a GT3.

There are a lot of people that use GT3's as DD, just look at how many ads you see that say "never been tracked"! I am sure that the guys on the GT3 board will tell you the same thing!
I did not ever see GT3 car ad with average annual milage of 20K-30K miles that regular DD car would have.
I do not think it is a practical decision use GT3 as a DD. It is very firm, sits lower and its forced engine is not really designed for prolonged daily operations like sitting 2-3 hours in gridlock traffic if I understand it all right.
 
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Originally Posted by utkinpol
I did not ever see GT3 car ad with average annual milage of 20K-30K miles that regular DD car would have.
I do not think it is a practical decision use GT3 as a DD. It is very firm, sits lower and its forced engine is not really designed for prolonged daily operations like sitting 2-3 hours in gridlock traffic if I understand it all right.
I don't see many cars with Average Annual milage of 20-30K miles, that sounds more like a shower curtain ring salesman traveling from small town motel to small town motel, then some one sitting in two hours of grid lock traffic.

The GT1 block is a race designed engine, and can take all types of abuse, I hardly think that the engine is going to fail idling! Besides if you aren't moving, turn it off. Last time I checked the results of Daytona, the GT1 block managed to stay on for 24 hours without failure.

As for a GT3 being a DD, go drive one, I am sure the idea of jumping back into your C2 will be painful, you will want to drive a GT3 everyday!
 
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the GT3 in a heartbeat! i was faced with a similar dilemma but b/c here in HK the price difference is close to US$100K (price of a 2010 GT3 is ~$300K) i opted to go with a C2S...

this would particularly be true if your going to track the car! not to mention it should hold its value better...
 
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Hysterical.
Oh, and I vote for the GT3 if it's really a possibility. Life's too short to come up short.
Only issue is that you have to pass your occasional third and fourth occupants through that PlayDoh machine to get to the rear seats

Originally Posted by NorthVan997C2S
I don't see many cars with Average Annual milage of 20-30K miles, that sounds more like a shower curtain ring salesman traveling from small town motel to small town motel, then some one sitting in two hours of grid lock traffic.

The GT1 block is a race designed engine, and can take all types of abuse, I hardly think that the engine is going to fail idling! Besides if you aren't moving, turn it off. Last time I checked the results of Daytona, the GT1 block managed to stay on for 24 hours without failure.

As for a GT3 being a DD, go drive one, I am sure the idea of jumping back into your C2 will be painful, you will want to drive a GT3 everyday!
 
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Hysterical.
Oh, and I vote for the GT3 if it's really a possibility. Life's too short to come up short.
Only issue is that you have to pass your occasional third and fourth occupants through that PlayDoh machine to get to the rear seats
GT3's don't have rear seats, and I really wouldn't want to try and fit someone in the rear of a Carrera either.
 
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good stuff guys. keep it coming.

remember, i'm not talking about "passengers" per se, i'm talking about little kids on a short ride to school.

roof rack maybe?
 
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good stuff guys. keep it coming.

remember, i'm not talking about "passengers" per se, i'm talking about little kids on a short ride to school.

roof rack maybe?
2nd car for the winters and the kids! The GT3 is all about the driver!
 
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Originally Posted by utkinpol
I did not ever see GT3 car ad with average annual milage of 20K-30K miles that regular DD car would have.
I do not think it is a practical decision use GT3 as a DD. It is very firm, sits lower and its forced engine is not really designed for prolonged daily operations like sitting 2-3 hours in gridlock traffic if I understand it all right.
Check this out, looks like your wrong

https://www.6speedonline.com/forums/2542521-post6.html
 
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Back in 07 when I got my 997S I chose the S because of the rear seatsand it would have to be a DD. My kids fit back there real nice...then I saw that someone bought a GT3 and installed the rear seats back there...what an idea. If I had the financial means I would get the GT3 in a heartbeat.

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Originally Posted by NorthVan997C2S
I don't see many cars with Average Annual milage of 20-30K miles, that sounds more like a shower curtain ring salesman traveling from small town motel to small town motel, then some one sitting in two hours of grid lock traffic.

The GT1 block is a race designed engine, and can take all types of abuse, I hardly think that the engine is going to fail idling! Besides if you aren't moving, turn it off. Last time I checked the results of Daytona, the GT1 block managed to stay on for 24 hours without failure.

As for a GT3 being a DD, go drive one, I am sure the idea of jumping back into your C2 will be painful, you will want to drive a GT3 everyday!
Again - my firm assumption is that most people here yourself included do not drive daily much anymore.

From daily commute alone I was getting firm average of 15K miles annually - on 20 miles one way. A lot of people have more than that, while I was in MO my daily commute was close to 90 miles. Multiply that by number of work days in week and working weeks in the year plus then add 10K or more of other non-work related stuff and you`ll get realistic milage on real daily driver.
 
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Again - my firm assumption is that most people here yourself included do not drive daily much anymore.

From daily commute alone I was getting firm average of 15K miles annually - on 20 miles one way. A lot of people have more than that, while I was in MO my daily commute was close to 90 miles. Multiply that by number of work days in week and working weeks in the year plus then add 10K or more of other non-work related stuff and you`ll get realistic milage on real daily driver.
I do daily drive, and I do drive my C2S when ever the snow isn't around. If I was driving 90 miles a day on my commute, I would probably find a different job or a home closer to work. I would at least move right next to a race track so that I could justify the remote location and do a ton more track days then I do now.
 
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Still couldn't believe that people would travel as far as you do for work, so I used google, and found this.

http://www.bts.gov/publications/omni...figure_02.html

Sorry to hijack your thread Brendo, I will give you a free point at the track when we are finally there at the same time
 


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