Input and experience ?? Worth the price ??

 

I have one matched up w/ their Maxflo cans. Yes the CAI contributes to sound a bit but don't expect it to make discernible improvements on it's own. Needs paired up w/ headers, cans and/or cats. Plus you can get a pkg discount then too as opposed to just buying separately as you WILL end up there eventually

 

The sound I would probably get from the Tubi, which would be my first choice. The Fabspeed website shows performance measurements exclusive to their Intake which seem to be pretty nice and somewhat significant, so I guess I will wait to hear others chime in.

 

i've seen a lot of companies claim large HP gains on CAI systems, but I'm just not a big believer. It may look cool when you pop the hood, and sound better especially w/ coupled w/ exhaust, but I would count on any noticeable performance difference by just adding only the CAI.

i'm not a scientist, or engineer, or anything for that matter... it's just my personal opionion and based on my experience.

 

I own the fabspeed cold air kit, no performance improvement, looks nice, sounds better, especially at higher revs.

 

Why didn't porsche think of it? There must be a downside to these systems.

 

Which one? THe red tube or the one with the carbon shield? People seem to agree that the tubes are useless (flame away). THe carbon shield one looks like it really doesn't insulate from any of the engine heat and I'm not sure how it keeps the water from going in through the intake. I went with the EVOM - known performance, good fit, and fine in bad weather.

 

the .1 red silicon tube you will gain zero. The .2 air intake bothers me because it is not shielded to the hot air around the engine. You will be sucking in hot air and that will not be good for power. Plus you will throw a CEL code on a .2 but it will not do this on a .2S.

 

Cai doesn't add power. Don't waste your money. Even if added 10hp there is no way you could tell the difference. Save your money
I did before and after dynos after adding evoms cai, giac flash, Suncoast/evom headers and pse. I gains ZERO. ABSOLUTELY NOTHING!!

If exhausts could add hp don't you think Porsche could figure it out with their pse?

If you want real power add a super charger or turbo. Fir whatever reason, I would lean towards the turbo. I drove a super charged 996. I was not impressed. The power was their but the "whine" the car made was just gross

I'd love to drive a TPC turbo. 140whp is worth $10k IMHO.

Anyone around Tampa have 1 they would let me drive?

 

I have one. Yes it is very attractive and sounds a little more aggressive in the upper rev ranges.

Despite the marketed horsepower gains, my Porsche tech advised that the 997.2 S engine will actually de-compensate for any added goodies while running the standard Porsche ECU tune. If this is true, no gains without a tune. That being said, I have a GIAC flash (14 hp), Fabspeed 997 S intake (11-15 hp), and Tubi exhaust (10-15 hp).

The real savings is weight, since the stock box is much heavier.

And regarding horsepower. You will not "feel" 11-15 horsepower. I can barely "feel" more with my mods, assuming they're contributive; but even those are fractional compared to the overall power.

If you've got some free cash, go for it.

 

KK - unless you did before and after dyno i do not believe your gains...Performance mod sellers can claim and make a dyno look any way they want...Extremely difficult to add gains to a NA car...

 

Yes, definitely agree. As with any mod, it's easy to be bamboozled with louder exhaust, quicker throttle response, and the ever-accurate "butt-dyno".

All marketed mods should carry a disclaimer like weight loss plans and investment offers.

"....your results may vary....."

However........ Your basic premise that it is "...difficult to add gains to NA cars..." is clearly wrong as evidenced by Porsche itself. They have a full range of INTENDED variances in the same essential engine. I do not think it is difficult to add horsepower at all. For example 385 hp to 395 hp is "more" horsepower, no matter how meaningless it is other than bragging rights.

As you stated earlier, "ZERO performance gains" is as much an overstatement as saying I can "feel" a little more horsepower. My impression of your, generally, anti-NA-mod position is that if one wants real, tangible, usable horsepower gains = boost. You are definitely correct.

If Porsche, and Audi, MB, and virtually every other manufacturer can offer the same engine across many vehicle while intentionally detuning one model for marketing reasons, it's completely conceivable that an individual can capture some of that detuned power. Look at the Merc 6.3. It ranges from 450 to 563.

 

but not from headers intake and exhaust..swap yours for gt3 and see if you add hp..you wont..go ahead - try...before and after..i did it..i did multiple pulls before and after..same day and 2 weeks later to confirm...ZERO GAINS..wasted my money

 

Color me skeptical - but didn't Porsche have to make major internal changes, including DFI, to get an extra 25 HP (7% increase)? I don't see that Porsche offers "detuned" versions of it's engines (ref. Merc 6.3 450 to 563 HP versions) - the different HP for different engines appears to be a result of displacement and FA - not bolt on bits. Perhaps in the world of lower performing cars, significant changes are possible, but I think that the Porsche engineers have not left very much on the table.

Just my opinion...

 

Detuned is a rather vague word. In the same manner that Mercedes detunes the C63 for a meager 450 and extrapolates 563 for the SLS I'm sure is has a similar mechanical complexity as other manufacturers, even Porsche.

Obviously these engines are largely similar. And, I think we all have agreed that simple bolt-ons are not going to generate massive increases in anything except wallet capacity.

Short of a profound marketing conspiracy against the world population of gearheads I think it is certainly possible to gain horsepower, even with simple bolt-ons.

So, as the OP asked, does the Fabspeed Intake in the 997 increase horsepower? Maybe. Is it lighter? Yes. Does it look pretty? Yes. Does it increase performance? Doubtful. Would he be better off getting the TPC Single Turbo additional? Hell yeah (at a cost)!

And yes, excluding the outlier recipients of the Mercedes 6.3 (C63 and SLS) the rest of the range (all around 510 hp +/- 10) have simple bolt on mods. I'm on my 3rd AMG.