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Old Jan 17, 2011 | 09:44 PM
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The GTS configured to my liking is just under 110k (MSRP). The CPOs i've seen online are about 30-35k less than the GTS. My target for the 2011 997S is 90k +- a few k.
You may want to check to see when is the latest it can be ordered. Usually on an exclusive car like the GTS dealershipas get only a certain number alloted to them . I looked at three Florida dealership online inventories and only found one car -- a cab . None in Orlando .

With inventory this narrow .. pricing gets at or near MSRP.

A 2009 car will ask a high price (ie 85K for a CPO) but they are in dreamland if the believe they will come anywhere close to it. I was offered 72 and 75K by two different dealerships almost 5 months ago when I almost traded my car for a Gt3RS . That's what wholesale was THEN ... I feel its retail NOW.
 

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Good to know, thanks. I'm gonna keep it in mind.

I'm still leaning towards a 2011 997S (depending on the price, of course).

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So what would a 2009 or 2010 cost, with low mileage? (PDK + Sport Chrono). Cab or coupe
 
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Good to know, thanks. I'm gonna keep it in mind.

I'm still leaning towards a 2011 997S (depending on the price, of course).

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So what would a 2009 or 2010 cost, with low mileage? (PDK + Sport Chrono). Cab or coupe
On a 2011 --I would hope to expect 9 percent off on a car which is on the dealership lot . There are exceptions to this (like if they have 5 manual cars and only one PDK and you are bidding on the PDK) .

2010 -- My opinion .. whoever owns it can keep it . If it's a dealership they are stuck with it . they would have to go 25 percent off MSRP and they are not going to do it .
If it's an owner .. he will ask too much for a used car to sway you from buying a new car.

2009 -- 72K -75K depending on options . For instance mine has full leather, PDK, and a $7K exhaust on it . Had it been a manual with standard leather .. the car would be worth less . Keep in mind that supply in 2009 was plentiful and also note that launch cars are worth LESS (IMO) .

cabs .. add 5-7K .
 

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Got it. Hypothetically, with a 9% discount...is the car a good buy? More in terms of the actual car itself vs. comparing with pre-owned or GTS/GT3 versions. Would I have the car and be like "this car is awesome, I want to keep it forever" lol. And if I were to try and trade in 2-3 years down the road....would I be taking much of a hit?

BTW...I appreciate your taking the time and indulging me with all this.
 
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Got it. Hypothetically, with a 9% discount...is the car a good buy? More in terms of the actual car itself vs. comparing with pre-owned or GTS/GT3 versions. Would I have the car and be like "this car is awesome, I want to keep it forever" lol. And if I were to try and trade in 2-3 years down the road....would I be taking much of a hit?

BTW...I appreciate your taking the time and indulging me with all this.

Rounding numbers --

Let's say you buy a modestly equipped 100K car for 91K (in a standard non trendy color) and keep it two years and drive it 20K miles.

Sell it privately in two years with a model redesign -- 72K
Trade it in - 65K

If it had more options .. costs more to get in and sells slightly higher at exit. There are exceptions too .. if the new model is a spectacular success or not -- those estimates will deviate slightly .
 
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Would I have the car and be like "this car is awesome, I want to keep it forever" lol.
The only car i ever felt this way about is my current Turbo .
I have never felt this way about my 997s or the two other 997s cars I owned.
I might feel this way about a Gt3 .. but i never owned one.
 
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Cool. Those figures aren't too bad. Of course, as you said, it depends on the next model too. So I'm still pretty much in the dark.
 
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Cool. Those figures aren't too bad. Of course, as you said, it depends on the next model too. So I'm still pretty much in the dark.
I have owned 9 of thse cars and have always fared pretty well on trade in even when the new model is a success .
 
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Was just thinking (and maybe this is just me trying to justify getting an '11)

Let's say the '12s are out in a year, and the high performance versions the following year...if I were to get the '11, that would put me in a good position 2 years down the road for an upgrade. Vs. waiting a year and getting the '12 only for the high performance cars coming a year or so later and having to wait for another year to pass. Does that make any sense? lol.
 
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Originally Posted by yrralis1
I have owned 9 of thse cars and have always fared pretty well on trade in even when the new model is a success .
That's what I wanted to hear
 
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Originally Posted by yrralis1
You may want to check to see when is the latest it can be ordered. Usually on an exclusive car like the GTS dealershipas get only a certain number alloted to them . I looked at three Florida dealership online inventories and only found one car -- a cab . None in Orlando .

With inventory this narrow .. pricing gets at or near MSRP.

A 2009 car will ask a high price (ie 85K for a CPO) but they are in dreamland if the believe they will come anywhere close to it. I was offered 72 and 75K by two different dealerships almost 5 months ago when I almost traded my car for a Gt3RS . That's what wholesale was THEN ... I feel its retail NOW.
Can I ask what made you not get the GT3RS or trade in your 09? I was considering trading my 09 C4S towards a GT3RS but am now hesitant.
 
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Originally Posted by yrralis1
I have owned 9 of thse cars and have always fared pretty well on trade in even when the new model is a success .
So this may be stating the obvious. But I can't really go wrong with a Porsche? I was thinking of other cars to compare the 997S too, but couldn't really think of any. None that I would be interested in at least.
 
Old Jan 17, 2011 | 11:14 PM
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In another thread I said that I ordered a '10 S PDK with full leather, manual sports seats and no-Bose. I would order the same exact car today.

If you lust for the X51 get the GTS but I prefer the narrow body and do not like the black sides and rear apron as it raises the car. I do not like the STD alcantara bits either and I do not want the louder exhaust. For me the S is the 911 sweet spot.
 
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Originally Posted by LFC911Kop
Can I ask what made you not get the GT3RS or trade in your 09? I was considering trading my 09 C4S towards a GT3RS but am now hesitant.
A lot of reasons --

For starters I fell in love with a Gt3Rs speced exactly the way i would have on a dealership lot that was already sold. I offered to buy it if he changed his mind as they waited for him to pick it up after his trip. He bought the car.

I had a lot of time to think .
1) I already have and love my Turbo
2) I don't even drive my cars all the time
3) The roads in my area have constuction
4) I am not a track driver
5) The average drivers who share the roads and parking lack a lot of courtesy and skill .
6) I would have taken a loss on the PDK car to buy the car.
7) the PDK car seemed more practical and less worry
8) I already bought the PDK car .. somewhat missed the boat I feel compared to a Gt3RS.

The more i thought .. the less it made sense given my needs and circumstances.

The car itself is purely amazing . That's about the only thing I didn't doubt .
 

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I can't recall based on my test drive, but how are the standard seats?
 


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